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07-17-2007, 11:20 PM
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crakjak
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How Many of HIS Creation will He Lose to "HELL"?
Isaiah 40:25-26 (ESV):
25 To whom then will you compare me, that I should be like him? Says the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high and see: Who created these? Speaking of the Stars.
He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by greatest of His might, and because He is strong in power not one is missing.
God told Abraham: "In your seed shall all the nations (peoples) be blessed, and they shall be as the stars in the heavens in number".
What did He say of the STARS? He knows everyone by name, and then "... by the greatest of His might, and because He is STRONG in power NOT ONE IS MISSING!!!
I say not one will be missing, why doesn't the faithful see the greatest and the power of God to be "the Savior of all men, and the Savior of the whole world"?
If He so cares for the stars, and the sparrows and the hairs of your head, why would he relinquish his highest creation to the evil one to torture endlessly??
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07-17-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Isaiah 40:25-26 (ESV):
25 To whom then will you compare me, that I should be like him? Says the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high and see: Who created these? Speaking of the Stars.
He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by greatest of His might, and because He is strong in power not one is missing.
God told Abraham: "In your seed shall all the nations (peoples) be blessed, and they shall be as the stars in the heavens in number".
What did He say of the STARS? He knows everyone by name, and then "... by the greatest of His might, and because He is STRONG in power NOT ONE IS MISSING!!!
I say not one will be missing, why doesn't the faithful see the greatest and the power of God to be "the Savior of all men, and the Savior of the whole world"?
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It's not about the fact the Jesus is Savior, it's whether each individual accepts that fact and repents of their sins, is baptized in obedience to His Word and receives His Gift, the Holy Ghost. God is so powerful that He has given us the power of choice.
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07-17-2007, 11:58 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
It's not about the fact the Jesus is Savior, it's whether each individual accepts that fact and repents of their sins, is baptized in obedience to His Word and receives His Gift, the Holy Ghost. God is so powerful that He has given us the power of choice.
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So God is so great and so loving, that He created man in His image and then gave him a gift of choice so that the majority would reject him and be torched forever???? That does not fit the God of scripture nor does it seem to fit a very astute creator, that fits the twisted mind of fallen man.
There are only three possible positions (in light of scripture) that you could take on this subject:
#1 It is God's purpose to save all sinners, therefore He will eventually save all sinners.
#2 It is not God's purpose to save all (He has chosen not to save all), therefore most will be tortured endlessly or annihilated.
#3 It is God's purpose and will to save all sinners, however He is unable to do so.
To which do you subscribe?
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07-18-2007, 12:11 AM
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Jesus said FEW men will find the way to life. Therefore out of this present age FEW men will be saved.
13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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07-18-2007, 10:04 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Jesus said FEW men will find the way to life. Therefore out of this present age FEW men will be saved.
13: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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It is true that few find life, few actually enter into the LIFE OF GOD, even believers, few actually enter into God's life even though they will eventually go thru the fire of God and at that time finally enter into LIFE spoken of in the verses you quote.
How many even OP's do you know that have entered in? Though they be one steppers or three steppers, many have not yet really found true life, the Life of God. Therefore, their lives in this world is a waste, depending on drugs and all kinds of worldly survival methods, "their works or burned up, though they be saved, howbeit by fire". Destruction does not necessarily be "endless torment."
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07-18-2007, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
So God is so great and so loving, that He created man in His image and then gave him a gift of choice so that the majority would reject him and be torched forever???? That does not fit the God of scripture nor does it seem to fit a very astute creator, that fits the twisted mind of fallen man.
There are only three possible positions (in light of scripture) that you could take on this subject:
#1 It is God's purpose to save all sinners, therefore He will eventually save all sinners.
#2 It is not God's purpose to save all (He has chosen not to save all), therefore most will be tortured endlessly or annihilated.
#3 It is God's purpose and will to save all sinners, however He is unable to do so.
To which do you subscribe?
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Brother,
Your ideals and beliefs posted on this thread and DA's thread have been the doctrinal beliefs of the Universalists and I would have to admit I feared that you were being deceived when I read your posts.
As you know, the Universalists teach that all people will eventually be saved through the atoning work of Christ. Proponents of universalism must, therefore, maintain that there is no unforgivable sin. For if there were, then their theory that all people will be saved would be proven wrong.
Jesus said there was a sin that would not be forgiven in "this age or the age to come.
"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come." Matt. 12:32
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in the age to come.
At the end of this age, "the age to come" begins and it has no end.
Heb. 6:6 and Heb. 10:26 also show us that there are conditions of non-forgiveness.
Universalism is not true.
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Isaiah 53:5: "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."(KJV)
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07-18-2007, 09:59 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by chosenbyone
Brother,
Your ideals and beliefs posted on this thread and DA's thread have been the doctrinal beliefs of the Universalists and I would have to admit I feared that you were being deceived when I read your posts.
As you know, the Universalists teach that all people will eventually be saved through the atoning work of Christ. Proponents of universalism must, therefore, maintain that there is no unforgivable sin. For if there were, then their theory that all people will be saved would be proven wrong.
Jesus said there was a sin that would not be forgiven in "this age or the age to come.
"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come." Matt. 12:32
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in the age to come.
At the end of this age, "the age to come" begins and it has no end.
Heb. 6:6 and Heb. 10:26 also show us that there are conditions of non-forgiveness.
Universalism is not true. |
Because something is not forgiven in this age or the age to come is not proof that it will never be forgiven, for the scripture speaks of many ages, such as the age of the ages. We see "thru a glass darkly", and His mercies never fail!
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07-18-2007, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Because something is not forgiven in this age or the age to come is not proof that it will never be forgiven,...
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Mark 3:29 But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation.
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07-21-2007, 09:54 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crakjak
Because something is not forgiven in this age or the age to come is not proof that it will never be forgiven, for the scripture speaks of many ages, such as the age of the ages. We see "thru a glass darkly", and His mercies never fail!
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Mar 3:29
"But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER forgiveness, but is in DANGER of ETERNAL DAMNATION."
CJ, please re examine your above quote and compare it with Mark 3:29.
You will plainly see that Jesus says that ANYONE (meaning everyone and anyone) who BLASPHEME the Holy Ghost will NEVER HAVE FORGIVNESS and therefore will come under the penalty of ETERNAL DAMNATION.
If I do not understand your quote above please take the time to further explain your thoughts to me. 
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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07-18-2007, 10:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chosenbyone
Brother,
Your ideals and beliefs posted on this thread and DA's thread have been the doctrinal beliefs of the Universalists and I would have to admit I feared that you were being deceived when I read your posts.
As you know, the Universalists teach that all people will eventually be saved through the atoning work of Christ. Proponents of universalism must, therefore, maintain that there is no unforgivable sin. For if there were, then their theory that all people will be saved would be proven wrong.
Jesus said there was a sin that would not be forgiven in "this age or the age to come.
"And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come." Matt. 12:32
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven in the age to come.
At the end of this age, "the age to come" begins and it has no end.
Heb. 6:6 and Heb. 10:26 also show us that there are conditions of non-forgiveness.
Universalism is not true. |
Universalism is a delusion.
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