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Old 08-27-2018, 05:22 PM
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Non-A/P Pastor Commits Suicide

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Inland Hills Church Pastor Andrew Stoecklein died Saturday after being on life support from attempting to commit suicide Friday morning.

"""It is also unclear how long the pastor had been battling depression and anxiety but in a blog post on the first anniversary of his father's death he revealed that life had suddenly become much harder without the man who was his hero.

"Life without you is harder than I imagined it would be. I miss you every day, more and more. I sit in your office and meet with people. I thumb through your library as I prepare the messages each week. I stand on your stage to communicate the grace and truth of Jesus. Your example of how to be a husband, father, pastor, leader, and follower of Jesus is literally all around me. And for that I am so grateful," he wrote.

By the time the second anniversary of his father's death came around in October 2017, Stoecklein was in the hospital to undergo two surgeries to remove a mass from his chest, according to a post on Instagram. It is unclear if this mass was due to sudden illness or injury.

"It took two surgeries this week to remove a softball size mass from my chest. Hoping and praying for good results and recovery. Thanks for the love and encouragement! And big thanks to my beautiful wife @kaylasteck for hauling me around and taking care of me," he wrote at the time.

He had also only returned to preaching about two Sundays after taking what he called a summer sabbatical. He explained it was about four months when the senior leaders of the church stepped in to lead while he took some time off to get better.

On his first Sunday back on Aug. 12, he praised his wife, telling his church that he had not been a "very fun person to live with."""

Inland Hills Church released a statement on its FB page: """Inland Hills Church grieves with heavy hearts as our Lead Pastor Andrew Stoecklein was welcomed into Heaven on Saturday night after battling depression and anxiety. It’s not the outcome we hoped and prayed for, and today we grieve as a church family. In his time leading Inland Hills, Andrew reached so many with his warm wit, passionate heart for God, and teaching that always, always pointed others to Jesus. The loving husband, father, son, and friend that he was will continue to inspire us in leading others into a growing relationship with Jesus Christ.

And in this tragedy, we encourage anyone who is hurting emotionally to ask for help. If you or anyone else is struggling, the Suicide Prevention Hotline at 800-273-TALK (8255) is a potentially life-saving resource.

May we be a beacon of hope for the community, to rescue the hurting and honor the God that Andrew served so well.

Andrew, we love you. And we always will. #godsgotthis #inlandhills"""
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Old 08-27-2018, 06:33 PM
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:10 PM
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"""Inland Hills Church grieves with heavy hearts as our Lead Pastor Andrew Stoecklein was welcomed into Heaven on Saturday night after battling depression and anxiety."""


I don't believe one can take their own life and still be saved.
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Old 08-27-2018, 07:24 PM
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"""Inland Hills Church grieves with heavy hearts as our Lead Pastor Andrew Stoecklein was welcomed into Heaven on Saturday night after battling depression and anxiety."""


I don't believe one can take their own life and still be saved.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:30 PM
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"""Inland Hills Church grieves with heavy hearts as our Lead Pastor Andrew Stoecklein was welcomed into Heaven on Saturday night after battling depression and anxiety."""


I don't believe one can take their own life and still be saved.
I think it should be viewed as when a child or a mentall ill person dies.
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Old 08-27-2018, 08:36 PM
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I think it should be viewed as when a child or a mentall ill person dies.
Interesting perspective.
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:05 AM
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"""Inland Hills Church grieves with heavy hearts as our Lead Pastor Andrew Stoecklein was welcomed into Heaven on Saturday night after battling depression and anxiety."""


I don't believe one can take their own life and still be saved.

Ok.
What is the biblical logic behind this thought? By the way, I disagree with you.
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Old 08-28-2018, 09:33 AM
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Ok.
What is the biblical logic behind this thought? By the way, I disagree with you.
What do you mean "what is the Biblical logic behind this thought?" Do you believe people can kill themselves and be "welcomed into Heaven?"
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:01 PM
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What do you mean "what is the Biblical logic behind this thought?" Do you believe people can kill themselves and be "welcomed into Heaven?"

Robin Williams committed suicide and his autopsy showed that he had a degenerative brain disorder...at one point does someone cease to be in charge of their decisions in a situation like this?



If they indeed are responsible 100% of the time, does that mean that out of character speech and actions during Alzheimer's and Dementia , let's say a Godly saint happens to be suffering, let's say it's really bad and they are reverting to a "Pre Christ" mindset, if that speech and behavior crosses some lines, are they now in sin or are they not held accountable because of their illness?
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Old 08-28-2018, 12:33 PM
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Robin Williams committed suicide and his autopsy showed that he had a degenerative brain disorder...at one point does someone cease to be in charge of their decisions in a situation like this?



If they indeed are responsible 100% of the time, does that mean that out of character speech and actions during Alzheimer's and Dementia , let's say a Godly saint happens to be suffering, let's say it's really bad and they are reverting to a "Pre Christ" mindset, if that speech and behavior crosses some lines, are they now in sin or are they not held accountable because of their illness?
These are good points and well worth considering. Another scenario.

If someone refuses treatment for a disease that is known to be highly treatable, what then?

If they subsequently die of the disease that they refused treatment for, are they guilty of committing suicide?

What if they were trusting God for a healing?

What about this scripture?

Job.7
[1] Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?

Does this imply that our time is up, when it is up? or maybe we can control when our time is up?

In the OT God referred to the blood as the life many times, and says that the life is His IIRC. Maybe this means that suicide would be unforgivable. There is supposed to be only one sin that is unforgivable tho, right?

I don't feel comfortable being judgmental on these sorts of issues. Canned answers seem inadequate. Grace and mercy are what my hope would be in if this happened to someone in my family. (It has happened to someone in my extended family.)
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