Salvation's Birth: Rep? Fai? Hol Spi Bap?

BuckeyeBukaroo · #1 05-15-2018, 02:44 PM

When does salvation begin?
Using scriptures, defend your view that salvation begins at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism.

"Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again).

I feel like chewing on beef jerky...

Amanah · #2 05-15-2018, 02:50 PM

Salvation begins when you are born of the Water and the Spirit. (John 3:5)

being born of the water and spirit is obeying the gospel (2 Thess 1:8)

The gospel being the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord (1 Cor 15)

We obey the gospel when repent, are baptized in Jesus name, and are filled with the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38)

We have to repent or perish (Luke 13:3)

we need to baptize to be saved (1 Peter 3:21)

when we receive the HG to walk in newness of life (Romans 6:4)

People will know you have the holy ghost when you speak with tongues (Acts 10:46)

The HG is the earnest of our inheritance. won't make the second coming without it (Ephesians 1:14)

you are either sealed by God with the Holy Ghost

or you are sealed by Satan and marked for destruction (Revelation 13:16–18)

Apostolic1ness · #3 05-15-2018, 02:58 PM

we are saved at the new birth experience.
we are being saved through a faithful walk with God.
we will be saved at the resurrection of the just.

BuckeyeBukaroo · #4 05-15-2018, 03:02 PM

Where's The Originalist?

Apostolic1ness · #5 05-15-2018, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Where's The Originalist?

Amanah pretty much summed it up and its as original as about 79 a.d.
you say defend using scripture. defend against what?

BuckeyeBukaroo · #6 05-15-2018, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Amanah pretty much summed it up and its as original as about 79 a.d.
you say defend using scripture. defend against what?

No, there is a poster called the originalist on here and I would like to read his thoughtful discourse concerning this subject. As for "defend" it's just a word used to encourage someone to use scripture to present the Apostolic point of view-- a minority point of view concerning salvation within American Churchianity.

1ofthechosen · #7 05-15-2018, 03:59 PM

John 3:5 "“I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God."

Which can come in one of 2 ways as Acts 2:38 " Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Or as Cornelius and His family received it I'm Acts 10:43-48 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. [44] While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. [45] And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. [46] For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, [47] Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? [48] And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." So Repentance, Receiving the Holy Ghost, and then being baptized in Jesus name. The Holy Ghost can be given before or after Jesus name baptism, but the Holy Ghost will not come apart from true repentance. When it theres true Repentance the evidence will be exactly what took place in Acts 10:45-46.

But 1 John 5:8 holds the key "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." You can be baptized in Jesus name and not born of the Spirit, and no blood. You can be born or Spirit no Jesus name Baptism and no blood. But at the second you are Baptized in Jesus name, and receive the Holy Ghost, you are then washed in the precious blood of Jesus. For they all agree in one! If either are missing you are still lost!

Tithesmeister · #8 05-16-2018, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

When does salvation begin?
Using scriptures, defend your view that salvation begins at either repentance, faith, or Holy Spirit baptism.

"Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again).

I feel like chewing on beef jerky...

Salvation begins with belief in the Lord Jesus Christ . . .

John.3 Verses 15 to 18

[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It begins with believing and confessing . . .

[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Here's where the question was asked specifically by the "keeper of the prison" of Paul and Silas . . .

Acts.16
[30] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Let the record show, that salvation begins with believing.

1ofthechosen · #9 05-16-2018, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Salvation begins with belief in the Lord Jesus Christ . . .

John.3 Verses 15 to 18

[15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It begins with believing and confessing . . .

[8] But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Here's where the question was asked specifically by the "keeper of the prison" of Paul and Silas . . .

Acts.16
[30] And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
[31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house

Let the record show, that salvation begins with believing.

He specifically said "Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again)."

The first step of faith maybe believing and confessing. But you are not born again, bro

Tithesmeister · #10 05-16-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

He specifically said "Salvation begins" is to be interpreted in the same way that a child is BORN once the child emerges from the womb (logical since we speak so often about being born again)."

The first step of faith maybe believing and confessing. But you are not born again, bro

I understand that he said that. I disagree. I believe salvation begins with believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. You shall be saved, (saved as in salvation) because you believed. You do believe this . . . right?

If we believe, we shall be saved. It is a promise from God. We do believe that God keeps His promises, don't we? If we are born again (having received the Holy Ghost) we are saved. Saved is past tense. Shall be saved is future tense, so it fits better with the beginning of salvation part.