Election 2016: The Powerful vs. The People

deacon blues · #1 10-14-2016, 04:18 AM

This election is simply about those who are in control in politics, media, and popular culture versus the people. Bernie Sanders was wildly popular because he was a breath fresh air; original, organic, not intertwined within the establishment. Trump emerged victorious in the GOP primaries largely because he wasn't a career politician and was willing to take on the powers that be that turned the GOP into nothing more than "Democrat-lite".

The Dems rigged their primaries against Bernie to promote HRC to the top of the ticket. The GOP reluctantly passed the baton to Trump. So now we have it laid before us: Hillary who represents career politicians, the status quo in Washington, Wall Street, the New York media, and Hollywood versus Trump who represents the people who want to take their government back.

The establishment is pulling out the stops.

Yesterday Trump summarized what this election is about with this paragraph from his speech:

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“Anyone who challenges their control is deemed a sexist, a racist, a xenophobe and morally deformed. They will attack you, they will slander you, they will seek to destroy your career and your family, they will seek to destroy everything about you, including your reputation. They will lie, lie, lie, and then again they will do worse than that, they will do whatever is necessary. The Clintons are criminals, remember that. They’re criminals.”

The people will probably lose once again. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Clinton---32-36 years of monochrome leadership in the White House keeping all of the power brokers and the corrupt machine that is the federal government pretty much well fed and happy.

It's happening before our very eyes and too many of us are blind to see it.

n david · #2 10-14-2016, 07:25 AM

I heard that clip and thought it really ironic that he would make that claim when he does the exact thing himself. Only, instead of calling people racist, etc he calls them nasty, attacks their families, threatens to reveal alleged secrets, tells the public to check out a sex tape. Trump does the same thing against anyone who dares oppose him. Whatever is necessary to win. He'll lie and claim opponents are pedophiles, lie and claim they've cheated on their wife, make up wild accusations to try and completely destroy not just the candidate, but the person.

Also, for decades Trump gave money to both the Clinton's political campaigns and to the Clinton Foundation. His family and the Clintons were bffs. Yet only now that she's standing in his way of winning the Presidency is he so concerned about who and what they are.

He calls Hillary an enabler. For decades, Trump was an enabler and supporter of the same people he now calls criminals.

Originalist · #3 10-14-2016, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

I heard that clip and thought it really ironic that he would make that claim when he does the exact thing himself. Only, instead of calling people racist, etc he calls them nasty, attacks their families, threatens to reveal alleged secrets, tells the public to check out a sex tape. Trump does the same thing against anyone who dares oppose him. Whatever is necessary to win. He'll lie and claim opponents are pedophiles, lie and claim they've cheated on their wife, make up wild accusations to try and completely destroy not just the candidate, but the person.

Also, for decades Trump gave money to both the Clinton's political campaigns and to the Clinton Foundation. His family and the Clintons were bffs. Yet only now that she's standing in his way of winning the Presidency is he so concerned about who and what they are.

He calls Hillary an enabler. For decades, Trump was an enabler and supporter of the same people he now calls criminals.

Like you said, Deacon...too many are too blind to see it.

This generation of puritan fanatics would rather have lost WW2 than have foul-mouthed Patton in charge.

n david · #4 10-14-2016, 08:02 AM

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Like you said, Deacon...too many are too blind to see it.

This generation of puritan fanatics would rather have lost WW2 than have foul-mouthed Patton in charge.

Oh good grief. The blind are the Trump supporters who have no answer to the fact the Trump enabled and supported the criminal Clintons for decades.

Esaias · #5 11-12-2016, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Oh good grief. The blind are the Trump supporters who have no answer to the fact the Trump enabled and supported the criminal Clintons for decades.

While there are "true believers" in every camp, most Trump supporters I know in real life see him as a tool they are using. They are fully aware of what he is, but don't care. If Mickey Mouse was the nominee or Larry the Cable Guy they would have supported them all the way like they have with Trump.

THIS is the mistake the neverTrump GOP crowd is making, they don't seem to realize fully that Trump himself is irrelevant to the bulk of his actual supporters. To put it bluntly, the peasants are marching towards the Bastille with unhappy thoughts and bad attitudes. If Trump dumps the populist agenda, the dirt people will march on. This election was and is significant, way beyond Trump or anything remotely approaching what all of us have known as "politics".

This nation is on the edge of full blown civil war, like 1861 redux only worse, with no geographic battle lines. Perhaps closer to 1789 France, actually.

Christians need to be prepared for the next phase. This election should be teaching us we must rally behind Christ, and Christ alone, cause NOBODY BUT CHRIST will save us and heal our land.

Pressing-On · #6 11-12-2016, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

While there are "true believers" in every camp, most Trump supporters I know in real life see him as a tool they are using. They are fully aware of what he is, but don't care. If Mickey Mouse was the nominee or Larry the Cable Guy they would have supported them all the way like they have with Trump.

THIS is the mistake the neverTrump GOP crowd is making, they don't seem to realize fully that Trump himself is irrelevant to the bulk of his actual supporters. To put it bluntly, the peasants are marching towards the Bastille with unhappy thoughts and bad attitudes. If Trump dumps the populist agenda, the dirt people will march on. This election was and is significant, way beyond Trump or anything remotely approaching what all of us have known as "politics".

This nation is on the edge of full blown civil war, like 1861 redux only worse, with no geographic battle lines. Perhaps closer to 1789 France, actually.

Christians need to be prepared for the next phase. This election should be teaching us we must rally behind Christ, and Christ alone, cause NOBODY BUT CHRIST will save us and heal our land.

#NeverTrump simply meant we were never going to vote for him. It means nothing beyond that point.

KeptByTheWord · #7 11-12-2016, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

This nation is on the edge of full blown civil war, like 1861 redux only worse, with no geographic battle lines. Perhaps closer to 1789 France, actually.

Christians need to be prepared for the next phase. This election should be teaching us we must rally behind Christ, and Christ alone, cause NOBODY BUT CHRIST will save us and heal our land.

This is quite plain to see. The "no geographical battle lines" perhaps is the most worrisome thing.

Carl · #8 11-13-2016, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

While there are "true believers" in every camp, most Trump supporters I know in real life see him as a tool they are using. They are fully aware of what he is, but don't care. If Mickey Mouse was the nominee or Larry the Cable Guy they would have supported them all the way like they have with Trump.

THIS is the mistake the neverTrump GOP crowd is making, they don't seem to realize fully that Trump himself is irrelevant to the bulk of his actual supporters. To put it bluntly, the peasants are marching towards the Bastille with unhappy thoughts and bad attitudes. If Trump dumps the populist agenda, the dirt people will march on. This election was and is significant, way beyond Trump or anything remotely approaching what all of us have known as "politics".

This nation is on the edge of full blown civil war, like 1861 redux only worse, with no geographic battle lines. Perhaps closer to 1789 France, actually.

Christians need to be prepared for the next phase. This election should be teaching us we must rally behind Christ, and Christ alone, cause NOBODY BUT CHRIST will save us and heal our land.

The Never Trump crowd made no mistake in misunderstanding the movement. They disapproved of him as much as they did the group marching on the Bastille with their bad attitudes. They could not support the candidate as well as the "lets blow it all up" chant of the peasants.

deacon blues · #9 10-14-2016, 08:30 AM

I believe he was an equal opportunity supporter. I believe he gave to a lot of politicians on both sides of the aisle. Non sequitur.

n david · #10 10-14-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

I believe he was an equal opportunity supporter. I believe he gave to a lot of politicians on both sides of the aisle. Non sequitur.

Nice try. He was a Democrat. His kids were and may still be registered Democrats.

He supported the criminals, even saying Hillary did a great job as Secy of State.