Sword at the entrance

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Eden's garden had a sword at the entrance.

Joshua was ready to enter Canaan, and saw an angel with a sword.

Heb 4 says we must enter the rest, and mix the word with faith, because the word is a sword we require at the entrance to CUT AWAY UNBELIEF so we enter.

Joshua's day saw the unbelief die off when a whole generation of doubters died. Then Israel could enter... past the sword. Circumcision had not been undertaken for the 40 years in the wilderness, so the knife cut and removed the flesh. Joshua was told by the angel that the angel was not FOR HIM or FOR his enemy. The angel was CAPTAIN. All of these factors are related. FLESH and PRIDE and UNBELIEF must go, so we trust God to lead. Then we can enter.

The sword at the entrance means self cannot save self. God's word must cut away the unbelief in our hearts that thinks we can somehow save ourselves, and realize instead that the WORK OF THE CRoSS SAVES. Self must be denied to believe the cross saves and not our piddly two cents' worth of good works. Unless we FULLY believe in the work of the cross, we aren't getting in. So, the word is there to cut out the unbelief by preaching faith in the blood to our hearts. And that lets us enter!

The book of Revelation has the same tree of life Eden had, but it's in a city built by the Last Adam, Christ. But before all of that, Christ stands in Rev 1 with a sword coming from his mouth. That's the WORD of Christ that cuts away unbelief so we can ENTER this New Jerusalem!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Unless we FULLY believe in the work of the cross, we aren't getting in. So, the word is there to cut out the unbelief by preaching faith in the blood to our hearts. And that lets us enter!

Doesn't satan also believe? What is the difference in belief and faith?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Doesn't satan also believe? What is the difference in belief and faith?

Belief and faith is believing for the work for the cross for salvation, denying ourselves the thought we can save ourselves, and fully without wavering accept the fact HIS work on the cross saves us. Satan''s state has no room for salvation. He's patently damned. Believing our good works cannot save us is apples and oranges to the state of the devil.

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Hebrews 4 falls on the heels of Hebrews 3 where we read all of Israel did not enter Canaan. And 4 begins saying we can fall as well, and the problem is failure to mix the word with faith. So, when we then read we must labour to enter the rest, the labour is the mixing of the word with faith. And the reason we are given word to encourage us to labour this mixture of the word with faith is found to be the word of God. The word of God can be relied upon since it is more alive than any sword and cuts out the very unbelief that keeps us out of the rest.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hebrews 4 falls on the heels of Hebrews 3 where we read all of Israel did not enter Canaan. And 4 begins saying we can fall as well, and the problem is failure to mix the word with faith. So, when we then read we must labour to enter the rest, the labour is the mixing of the word with faith. And the reason we are given word to encourage us to labour this mixture of the word with faith is found to be the word of God. The word of God can be relied upon since it is more alive than any sword and cuts out the very unbelief that keeps us out of the rest.

well, i'm not sure what you mean by "faith" here, and i suspect you mean "belief." If you really have faith that the above is true, about the Word, then why discount all of those uncomfortable action phrases that i keep repeating? Iow why are They in There?

Nice op btw, not meaning to discount that. But i would like to see you more reconciled with "become like little children."

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i'm not sure what you mean by "faith" here, and i suspect you mean "belief." If you really have faith that the above is true, about the Word, then why discount all of those uncomfortable action phrases that i keep repeating? Iow why are They in There?

Nice op btw, not meaning to discount that. But i would like to see you more reconciled with "become like little children."

I discount none of the scriptures you quoted. But you do not believe me when I say that. LIke I said, all the fruit references are truth. I have never denied them. But you cannot accept it when I say none of that is possible without FIRST realizing the righteousness granted to us by the work of the cross, and our faith in that as our means of righteousness, must be in place. It's like my words disappear when you read them whenever I say the work of the cross GIVES us righteousness before we commit righteous deeds, which is what John meant. He said you know who is already made righteous by the ones who commit righteous deeds. So while I deny nothing the bible says or anything from the bible you quote, you deny every reference I make to the bible's words about the cross being the CAUSE of our righteousness.

And we become like little children by SIMPLE FAITH! In the cross -- thereby impressing no one, least of all ourselves, and easily accepting what He said without doubting! Let go of works unto righteousness and try it! It is harder to make yourself righteous than to let go and let Him make us so!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hebrews 4 falls on the heels of Hebrews 3 where we read all of Israel did not enter Canaan. And 4 begins saying we can fall as well, and the problem is failure to mix the word with faith.

Let's look at that a bit more closely. What does a 'failure to mix the word with faith' actually encompass?

Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
(Hebrews 3:7-12)

Here we see that the warning to Christians is to 'take heed... lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.'

Failure to mix the word with faith is the result of 'an evil heart of unbelief'. It is evil, it is a heart of unbelief. This indicates that this failure is not passive. It does not consist in merely 'failing to do something'. Rather, it is active. It is a heart 'of unbelief', a heart that has decided to not believe, to disbelieve. And thus it is 'evil'.

It is also a 'departing from the living God'. It is in effect an apostasy, a backsliding from God. There is no 'oopsie' involved, it is a deliberate act of abandoning God due to having an evil heart of unbelief. It is amazing how so many things WE think of as being minor, are by the Word of God condemned in the strongest terms. The Word truly is a 'discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart'. The Word discerns and reveals the TRUE intents of the heart. In the case here under discussion, it reveals the characteristics of 'an evil heart of unbelief' that 'departs from the living God'. Too often we, in our human ingenuity, attempt to minimize the seriousness of spiritual matters. The heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it? God can know it, and God can reveal it by His Word.

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
(Hebrews 3:13-14)

We need to be exhorting one another continually. Why? Because failure to do so will allow hearts to become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. It is sin to disbelieve the Word of God. It is sin to have an evil heart of unbelief. It is sin to depart from the living God. And if we fail to encourage one another daily, that sin of unbelief will find opportunity to spring up.

We see here also that we are partakers of Christ IF... IF we hold the beginning of our confidence STEADFAST to the end. It is not enough to have once believed in Christ. It is not enough to have 'gotten saved' at some point in your life. You MUST hold fast that original hope and confidence in Christ as your Atonement, Saviour, Propitiation, Mediator, Intercessor, Lord, Passover sacrifice, in short - everything that Christ is presented to you in the Gospel. You must hold fast to that confidence 'to the end'. That is, to the end of your life here in this world. Salvation is a DAILY, ongoing, continual thing, not a one time event in the past. Christ is the living Bread, and just as Israel under Moses received their manna DAILY, and had to gather it daily, so too we must feed on Christ DAILY.

Did you gather your daily bread TODAY? Or are you trying to save it up' from yesterday, last month, last year, fifteen years ago? 'Bless the Lord, I got saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost back in...' And? WHERE ARE YOU TODAY? Yesterday's bread won't feed you TODAY.

You know, when a person stops eating food, their body begins to digest itself. It starts digesting the fat cells. Soon, once that has run out, it begins to digest muscle tissue. Eventually, the body, digesting itself, wastes away and shuts down due to lack of nutrients. When we quit feeding DAILY on Christ, the heavenly manna, we will begin to 'feed' on the FLESH. And eventually, we will die from lack of spiritual nutrition.

I need to stand before God TODAY. You stand before God TODAY. And so we need to be covered by the blood of Jesus TODAY. Otherwise, we stand naked and exposed to the wrath of God. I'm so glad Jesus is my Saviour TODAY!

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
(Hebrews 3:15-19)

Now what exactly happened here? The spies went in and saw the land. Ten of them said 'there be giants over thar!' Two said 'we can take 'em, cuz God is on our side!' And the people hearkened to the ten spies, and plotted rebellion against Moses, and schemed to go back to Egypt. And God swore that generation would not enter in. Now, notice:

But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice; Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
(Numbers 14:21-23)

These people had seen God's glory. They had also provoked God ten times, and had refused to listen to His Voice. And this was simply the final act of rebellion. (There's a sermon in here somewhere, probably a good one, too...)

The rebellion in attempting to depart from God ('let us go make a captain and go back to Egypt') was the FINAL STRAW, it was the final stage of their evil heart of unbelief. When a person literally apostasizes from Christ, finally goes atheist or just completely goes back to the world (total backsliding), it is usually not something that happened overnight. It built up over time. There was something wrong way back in the beginning. Now I am not talking about someone who was horribly abused by someone in the church, and so they go off the deep end. That's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is that evil heart of unbelief, that evil heart that constantly, here a little there a little, provokes God with unbelief, doubting, lack of faith, and breaks out in open rebellion against God.

Remember, the apostle says we need to encourage one another daily, OTHERWISE this is what is likely to happen - somebody somewhere is going to fester in unbelief. That little seed of doubt, that little thought of 'Well, I don;t know about THAT. Hath God said...? will grow and fester like a cancer, like a noxious weed, and will ultimately bear fruit in an apostasy and backsliding straight into the lake of fire.

Yes, indeed we should 'fear' lest the same thing happen among us.

One final thought... this was being addressed to a community of believers. The community (the church) is responsible for looking out for its members. We are responsible for one another. If the community fails to encourage one another daily, somebody somewhere may indeed fall away. I wonder how many people have fallen away, and we blame them instead of shouldering some of that blame ourselves? Sure, they are to blame. After all, it was THEIR evil heart of unbelief that led them to depart from God. But, we can do much to prevent such things from happening. We can limit the casualties, if not prevent them altogether! So, how many of those who have fallen aside, who have drifted too far from the shore, who drowned in the sea of worldliness and unbelief, could have been saved if we had simply thrown out the lifeline? If we had exhorted one another daily? If we took DILIGENCE to see that EVERYBODY makes it to glory? We are, after all, a FELLOWSHIP. That means we are fellows on the same ship, going to the same destination. So if someone is leaning too far overboard, or walking on the rails while the storm surges, LOVE constrains us to reach out and pull them back to safety, to warn them 'GET BACK FROM THERE, there's only DEATH out there!' How many fell overboard off the good ole ship of Zion, because we were too busy playing shuffleboard on the poop deck?

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Let's look at that a bit more closely. What does a 'failure to mix the word with faith' actually encompass?

Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
(Hebrews 3:7-12)

Here we see that the warning to Christians is to 'take heed... lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.'

Failure to mix the word with faith is the result of 'an evil heart of unbelief'. It is evil, it is a heart of unbelief. This indicates that this failure is not passive. It does not consist in merely 'failing to do something'. Rather, it is active. It is a heart 'of unbelief', a heart that has decided to not believe, to disbelieve. And thus it is 'evil'.

It is also a 'departing from the living God'. It is in effect an apostasy, a backsliding from God. There is no 'oopsie' involved, it is a deliberate act of abandoning God due to having an evil heart of unbelief. It is amazing how so many things WE think of as being minor, are by the Word of God condemned in the strongest terms. The Word truly is a 'discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart'. The Word discerns and reveals the TRUE intents of the heart. In the case here under discussion, it reveals the characteristics of 'an evil heart of unbelief' that 'departs from the living God'. Too often we, in our human ingenuity, attempt to minimize the seriousness of spiritual matters. The heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it? God can know it, and God can reveal it by His Word.

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
(Hebrews 3:13-14)

We need to be exhorting one another continually. Why? Because failure to do so will allow hearts to become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. It is sin to disbelieve the Word of God. It is sin to have an evil heart of unbelief. It is sin to depart from the living God. And if we fail to encourage one another daily, that sin of unbelief will find opportunity to spring up.

We see here also that we are partakers of Christ IF... IF we hold the beginning of our confidence STEADFAST to the end. It is not enough to have once believed in Christ. It is not enough to have 'gotten saved' at some point in your life. You MUST hold fast that original hope and confidence in Christ as your Atonement, Saviour, Propitiation, Mediator, Intercessor, Lord, Passover sacrifice, in short - everything that Christ is presented to you in the Gospel. You must hold fast to that confidence 'to the end'. That is, to the end of your life here in this world. Salvation is a DAILY, ongoing, continual thing, not a one time event in the past. Christ is the living Bread, and just as Israel under Moses received their manna DAILY, and had to gather it daily, so too we must feed on Christ DAILY.

Did you gather your daily bread TODAY? Or are you trying to save it up' from yesterday, last month, last year, fifteen years ago? 'Bless the Lord, I got saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost back in...' And? WHERE ARE YOU TODAY? Yesterday's bread won't feed you TODAY.

You know, when a person stops eating food, their body begins to digest itself. It starts digesting the fat cells. Soon, once that has run out, it begins to digest muscle tissue. Eventually, the body, digesting itself, wastes away and shuts down due to lack of nutrients. When we quit feeding DAILY on Christ, the heavenly manna, we will begin to 'feed' on the FLESH. And eventually, we will die from lack of spiritual nutrition.

I need to stand before God TODAY. You stand before God TODAY. And so we need to be covered by the blood of Jesus TODAY. Otherwise, we stand naked and exposed to the wrath of God. I'm so glad Jesus is my Saviour TODAY!

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
(Hebrews 3:15-19)

Now what exactly happened here? The spies went in and saw the land. Ten of them said 'there be giants over thar!' Two said 'we can take 'em, cuz God is on our side!' And the people hearkened to the ten spies, and plotted rebellion against Moses, and schemed to go back to Egypt. And God swore that generation would not enter in. Now, notice:

But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD. Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice; Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:
(Numbers 14:21-23)

These people had seen God's glory. They had also provoked God ten times, and had refused to listen to His Voice. And this was simply the final act of rebellion. (There's a sermon in here somewhere, probably a good one, too...)

The rebellion in attempting to depart from God ('let us go make a captain and go back to Egypt') was the FINAL STRAW, it was the final stage of their evil heart of unbelief. When a person literally apostasizes from Christ, finally goes atheist or just completely goes back to the world (total backsliding), it is usually not something that happened overnight. It built up over time. There was something wrong way back in the beginning. Now I am not talking about someone who was horribly abused by someone in the church, and so they go off the deep end. That's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is that evil heart of unbelief, that evil heart that constantly, here a little there a little, provokes God with unbelief, doubting, lack of faith, and breaks out in open rebellion against God.

Remember, the apostle says we need to encourage one another daily, OTHERWISE this is what is likely to happen - somebody somewhere is going to fester in unbelief. That little seed of doubt, that little thought of 'Well, I don;t know about THAT. Hath God said...? will grow and fester like a cancer, like a noxious weed, and will ultimately bear fruit in an apostasy and backsliding straight into the lake of fire.

Yes, indeed we should 'fear' lest the same thing happen among us.

One final thought... this was being addressed to a community of believers. The community (the church) is responsible for looking out for its members. We are responsible for one another. If the community fails to encourage one another daily, somebody somewhere may indeed fall away. I wonder how many people have fallen away, and we blame them instead of shouldering some of that blame ourselves? Sure, they are to blame. After all, it was THEIR evil heart of unbelief that led them to depart from God. But, we can do much to prevent such things from happening. We can limit the casualties, if not prevent them altogether! So, how many of those who have fallen aside, who have drifted too far from the shore, who drowned in the sea of worldliness and unbelief, could have been saved if we had simply thrown out the lifeline? If we had exhorted one another daily? If we took DILIGENCE to see that EVERYBODY makes it to glory? We are, after all, a FELLOWSHIP. That means we are fellows on the same ship, going to the same destination. So if someone is leaning too far overboard, or walking on the rails while the storm surges, LOVE constrains us to reach out and pull them back to safety, to warn them 'GET BACK FROM THERE, there's only DEATH out there!' How many fell overboard off the good ole ship of Zion, because we were too busy playing shuffleboard on the poop deck?

But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Amen. One preacher said we think it a small thing when we cannot believe God for this or for that. But that adds up after time, and we provoke God to anger. It's serious to Him!

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Belief and faith is believing for the work for the cross for salvation

but you have just conflated the two, when we are told that satan also believes. I'm not trying to disagree with you here, but i have noted that belief and faith are the same thing to you, when "satan also believes" tells us that there is a difference on some level. What is that difference?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

but you have just conflated the two, when we are told that satan also believes. I'm not trying to disagree with you here, but i have noted that belief and faith are the same thing to you, when "satan also believes" tells us that there is a difference on some level. What is that difference?

I already said satan has no relation to this issue, since the faith in the work of the cross to save by eradicating our good works, through eradication of self-righteousness that produces good works, cannot apply to the devil.

Faith and believing are the same scripturally. You are not trying to outright disagree, but are just trying to circumvent the cross for our righteousness. You stumble at the cross. I know it's foolishness to the greek, and far from the sign the Jews require. But it's the power of GOD, not of us, unto salvation.