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Old 05-28-2015, 05:12 PM
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Large UPCI church hosting meetings with neighboring large Baptist church pastored by a prominent woman (???)...

Both churches famous, both pastors famous. Large churches, everybody dressed to kill like a Clinton fundraiser, you could smell the money.

Dinner served at a meeting where the two pastors and close staff were on hand. Building inside looked like the old Life Tabernacle place on Broadway in Houston (Kilgore's old place). Maroon carpet, kind of dark and subdued, lots of reddish lighting, mahogany and cherry wood paneling. Bldg obviously old but still in use.

Had a feeling this was out west, CA maybe?

Anyway, just putting it down "for the record". Might have just been the El Charrito dinner I ate... ugh last time I do that, probably.
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Large UPCI church hosting meetings with neighboring large Baptist church pastored by a prominent woman (???)...

Both churches famous, both pastors famous. Large churches, everybody dressed to kill like a Clinton fundraiser, you could smell the money.

Dinner served at a meeting where the two pastors and close staff were on hand. Building inside looked like the old Life Tabernacle place on Broadway in Houston (Kilgore's old place). Maroon carpet, kind of dark and subdued, lots of reddish lighting, mahogany and cherry wood paneling. Bldg obviously old but still in use.

Had a feeling this was out west, CA maybe?

Anyway, just putting it down "for the record". Might have just been the El Charrito dinner I ate... ugh last time I do that, probably.
What do you think it means?
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What do you think it means?
Either that a prominent west coast church is entertaining Jezebel... or the salsa had too much sodium benzoate in it...
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Either that a prominent west coast church is entertaining Jezebel... or the salsa had too much sodium benzoate in it...
I make my own salsa.

I gotta go eat.

Hey, what prominent west coast church?
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Large West Coast Baptist Church?

Southern Baptist don't go for women preachers, and they don't go for us.
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Large West Coast Baptist Church?

Southern Baptist don't go for women preachers, and they don't go for us.
I know, that's what was weird.
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Either that a prominent west coast church is entertaining Jezebel... or the salsa had too much sodium benzoate in it...
I may be wrong but I don't think thee are any prominent (large) liberal UPC churhes in California. As best I can recall they are all pretty conservative UPC and I can't imagine any conservative UPC church doing that so I am concluding it was the salsa. Time will tell though!
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I may be wrong but I don't think thee are any prominent (large) liberal UPC churhes in California. As best I can recall they are all pretty conservative UPC and I can't imagine any conservative UPC church doing that so I am concluding it was the salsa. Time will tell though!
The impression I got was the UPC church was a moderate to conservative church. The Baptist church wasn't uberliberal either.

The sense I had was this: Two historically opposed movements were coming together via these two representative churches. The purpose wasn't clear, but it was like a "first step to cooperative efforts" kind of thing. There was a surface feeling of "we are uniting to spread the gospel and show everyone we have love one for another" but the undercurrent had more to do with money or something.

Probably the salsa.
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The impression I got was the UPC church was a moderate to conservative church. The Baptist church wasn't uberliberal either.

The sense I had was this: Two historically opposed movements were coming together via these two representative churches. The purpose wasn't clear, but it was like a "first step to cooperative efforts" kind of thing. There was a surface feeling of "we are uniting to spread the gospel and show everyone we have love one for another" but the undercurrent had more to do with money or something.

Probably the salsa.
Pentecostal Calvinism let in by a Jezebel spirit
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The impression I got was the UPC church was a moderate to conservative church. The Baptist church wasn't uberliberal either.

The sense I had was this: Two historically opposed movements were coming together via these two representative churches. The purpose wasn't clear, but it was like a "first step to cooperative efforts" kind of thing. There was a surface feeling of "we are uniting to spread the gospel and show everyone we have love one for another" but the undercurrent had more to do with money or something.

Probably the salsa.
Its changing out here!
But to join another church for money- that might be a stretch to believe.
If so, It would be hard to believe that any body half conservative and holiness would even dare stick around.
But just like sin does, after awhile confusion could set in and subtly and slowly deceive and some folk might believe the lie as well.
Although I don't disclaim dreams- I'm not necessary endorsing them altogether either.
That said: I know of others who had the same type of dreams about a UPCI mega church in Calif.
Lets hope its just some strong salsa.
But my senses are similar about money matters.
I could see something like this could possibly happen if "things" do not change.
Which could be a very Sadd-u-cee situation.
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