The son’s eternal kingdom?

[thephnxman]

“Who, being in the physical image of God, thought it not unlawful or dishonest to be equal
with God: But divested (disrobed) himself of his glory, and took upon himself the form of a
servant, and was made in the image and figure of men:…”

God humbled himself to the uttermost, into a figure of a man; and thereby also limited himself to his
spoken words. It is by his words through man that God would defeated Satan!
Will God abide in the son, Jesus, forever? Or will the kingdom of the son be eternal due to the sons and
daughters He has “adopted” into is kingdom?

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with
thee before the world was.”

[Esaias]

God does not merely abide in the Son, for the Son IS "God manifested in the flesh". If God ever separated from the Son then the Son would not exist. The Word became flesh. The Word of the Lord abideth forever.

Jesus Christ the SAME yesterday, today, and FOREVER.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

God does not merely abide in the Son, for the Son IS "God manifested in the flesh". If God ever separated from the Son then the Son would not exist. The Word became flesh. The Word of the Lord abideth forever.
Jesus Christ the SAME yesterday, today, and FOREVER.

"God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself..."

I believe that "...the Word was God..."; and not only that, but that "...a body hast thou prepared me."
I do not want. nor intend, to separate the Word and God! I understand that God can be manifest as the
son without His glory, but not necessarily without His POWER! Nevertheless, was the POWER not
subject to the Father? "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwells in me, he does the works." I also believe that the Son's kingdom will abide forever.

It is in that context that I'm asking: will He reign in his physical image forever; or is the kingdom
forever because WE will reign and judge angels with His POWER and AUTHORITY?
Now this: will the Son divest (disrobe) himself of his humanity to be clothed "...with the glory
which I had with thee before the world was."???

"... and if there be any praise, think on these things."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself..."

I believe that "...the Word was God..."; and not only that, but that "...a body hast thou prepared me."
I do not want. nor intend, to separate the Word and God! I understand that God can be manifest as the
son without His glory, but not necessarily without His POWER! Nevertheless, was the POWER not
subject to the Father? "...the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that
dwells in me, he does the works." I also believe that the Son's kingdom will abide forever.

It is in that context that I'm asking: will He reign in his physical image forever; or is the kingdom
forever because WE will reign and judge angels with His POWER and AUTHORITY?
Now this: will the Son divest (disrobe) himself of his humanity to be clothed "...with the glory
which I had with thee before the world was."???

"... and if there be any praise, think on these things."

Jesus will be both God and man forever.

Jesus will never divest himself of his humanity or cease to be human.

He has been glorified with the pre-incarnate glory already - do we not worship him as God? Is he not the very person of God? What other God is there besides Jesus Christ?

The kingdom is eternal because God is eternal. We will be immortal (and thus eternal ie "age-abiding") because God, through Christ, is in us by the Spirit.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Jesus (1) will be both God and man forever.
Jesus will never divest himself of his humanity or cease to be human.
He has been glorified with the (2) pre-incarnate glory already - do we not worship him as God? Is he not the (3) very person of God? What other God is there besides (4) Jesus Christ?
(5) The kingdom is eternal because God is eternal. We will be immortal (and thus eternal ie "age-abiding") because God, through Christ, is in us by the Spirit.

That's a very good response.

Now let me ask:
(1) you said "there WILL be"... He's not now? (But I believe you mean NOW);
(2) Jesus (the man) has been glorified "...with the glory I had with you before the world
was"? That is, to the SPOKEN word before it became flesh?
(3) Yes: I also believe that Jesus is "...the express IMAGE of His person...";
(4) I believe in his NAME. Is it the same, to sayJesus is God, and God's NAME is Jesus?
(5) God's kingdom was eternal even without the presence of sons; is the Son's kingdom the same?

When we judge angels, will it be with Jesus?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

That's a very good response.

Now let me ask:
(1) you said "there WILL be"... He's not now? (But I believe you mean NOW);
(2) Jesus (the man) has been glorified "...with the glory I had with you before the world
was"? That is, to the SPOKEN word before it became flesh?
(3) Yes: I also believe that Jesus is "...the express IMAGE of His person...";
(4) I believe in his NAME. Is it the same, to sayJesus is God, and God's NAME is Jesus?
(5) God's kingdom was eternal even without the presence of sons; is the Son's kingdom the same?

When we judge angels, will it be with Jesus?

1. I meant he will continue to be both man and God forever.

2. Jesus the man has been glorified with the glory that the Word had before becoming flesh. The man has been proven to be the Word incarnate, the Self-Revelation of God Himself to mankind. He is no longer viewed as merely a rabbi, but the " Son of God with power".

3. ...

4. If Jesus Christ is God then God's name is Jesus Christ.

5. The kingdom of the Son is the kingdom of God. It is eternal because God is eternal. There will, however, be a change in the administration at or right after the judgment, "he will deliver the kingdom" to God etc. I do not pretend to know all the implications of that change.

(6.) We will judge angels... and the world... yet all judgment has been committed to the Son. I believe our judging will not be as final judge but as administers of God's judgment (as the JUDGES were in Israel of old).

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

“Who, being in the physical image of God, thought it not unlawful or dishonest to be equal
with God: But divested (disrobed) himself of his glory, and took upon himself the form of a
servant, and was made in the image and figure of men:…”

God humbled himself to the uttermost, into a figure of a man; and thereby also limited himself to his
spoken words. It is by his words through man that God would defeated Satan!
Will God abide in the son, Jesus, forever? Or will the kingdom of the son be eternal due to the sons and
daughters He has “adopted” into is kingdom?

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with
thee before the world was.”

Great question!!

I eagerly await the upcoming responses.

[Aquila]

Behold, I show you a mystery...

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

The Father and the Son exist in an eternal and coinherent state of being. Thus, Jesus is a man who is also God. And the Father is God who (in Christ) is also man.

See attachment:

[Aquila]

Why did God make Adam and Eve male and female? The bottom line... so that God Himself might be born into this physical reality as a man, the man Christ Jesus. This is all about Jesus. God manifest. God revealed. God realized. God in relationship with His creation. God experienced. The man Jesus Christ is the flesh and blood tabernacle of the transcendent and almighty God.

If you walked the earth with Jesus, you'd get to know Him as a man. He'd teach. He'd laugh. He'd eat. He'd use the restroom. He'd sleep. He'd rest. He'd pray to and speak to His Heavenly Father. He'd worship His Heavenly Father. He'd fast. He'd cry. He'd sweat. He'd bleed. You'd truly know Him as a man. However... at times you'd feel something otherworldly emanating from deep within Him. Something emanating from the very core of His being. Something powerful. Something that has authority over all creation. Something that speaks to the winds... bringing them into obedience. Something that raises the dead and heals all manner of sickness. Something indescribable. You'd sense GOD Himself at the core of Christ's own person. You'd realize that this man is far more than a mere man. He is also... God.

Keep in mind...God did not reside in Christ as a mere vehicle. God resided in and permeated Christ's very being. A Oneness so complete, so majestic, so inseparable, and so divine that in Christ it can be said that God became a man... and that this very same man was also God.

No other religion elevates Christ to such an infinite height of majesty and honor. No other religion expresses Christ's true person to such an infinite degree. Most religions make Christ a mere prophet. No... Christ was not just a prophet. Christ was the human tabernacle of God Himself. To deny this imperils the soul... and reduces Christ to being either a lunatic or a liar.

All authority and power has been delivered to Christ Jesus. He will judge Krishna. He will judge Buddha. He will judge Mohammed. He will judge Nanak. He will judge the followers of every false prophet and madman. He will judge all men in accordance to the Father's will as it relates to the Gospel. Through Him, the Father will judge. Because they are one.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

(1) Why did God make Adam and Eve male and female? The bottom line... so that God Himself might be born into this physical reality as a man, the man Christ Jesus. This is all about Jesus. God manifest. God revealed. God realized. God in relationship with His creation. God experienced. The man Jesus Christ is the flesh and blood tabernacle of the transcendent and almighty God.

If you walked the earth with Jesus, you'd get to know Him as a man. He'd teach. He'd laugh. He'd eat. He'd use the restroom. He'd sleep. He'd rest. He'd pray to and speak to His Heavenly Father. He'd worship His Heavenly Father. He'd fast. He'd cry. He'd sweat. He'd bleed. You'd truly know Him as a man. (2) However... at times you'd feel something otherworldly emanating from deep within Him. Something emanating from the very core of His being. Something powerful. Something that has authority over all creation. Something that speaks to the winds... bringing them into obedience. Something that raises the dead and heals all manner of sickness. Something indescribable. You'd sense GOD Himself at the core of Christ's own person. You'd realize that this man is far more than a mere man. He is also... God.

Keep in mind...God did not reside in Christ as a mere vehicle. God resided in and permeated Christ's very being. A Oneness so complete, so majestic, so inseparable, and so divine that in Christ it can be said that God became a man... and that this very same man was also God.

(3) No other religion elevates Christ to such an infinite height of majesty and honor. No other religion expresses Christ's true person to such an infinite degree. Most religions make Christ a mere prophet. No... Christ was not just a prophet. (4) Christ was the human tabernacle of God Himself. To deny this imperils the soul... and reduces Christ to being either a lunatic or a liar.

All authority and power has been delivered to Christ Jesus. He will judge Krishna. He will judge Buddha. He will judge Mohammed. He will judge Nanak. He will judge the followers of every false prophet and madman. He will judge all men in accordance to the Father's will as it relates to the Gospel. Through Him, the Father will judge. Because they are one.

(1) Right. For procreation: to have a lineage in which to be born, and to have sons and
daughters with Him. And yes, Jesus is the tabernacle prophesied in the Old Testament.

(2) Yes, God was "...in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself...". However, it is
"...the MAN Christ Jesus..." who will judge all things. It is God's will that MAN operate in
the same capacity as the Son.
(3) God doesn't need to be "elevated". "...God has made that same Jesus, whom you
have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
(4) Was the BODY the tabernacle of God?

Was God manifest IN the flesh, or AS the flesh?