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Old 02-17-2015, 09:41 AM
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Veil of flesh

Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden and God erected a barrier in the form of cherubims and a flaming sword.

A model of this was constructed centuries later called the Tabernacle and temple. Cherubims lined the walls of the temple in gold. Palm trees and flowers showed the garden-like picture. Even two pillars, named Jachin and Boaz, had two hundred pomegranates on them.

And the way into the holiest was barred by a veil with cherubims sewn into it, like the garden entrance was barred.

Adam's sin put him out of the holiest of holies in the garden and put the barrier up. And it is significant to learn just how that sin came about. The devil tempted them to eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. He told the woman to be like God and know good and evil. In other words, have no need to rely on any other God. but yourself. Learn what is good and what is evil so you can avoid the good and do the evil. In this manner she left reliance on God and improved herself by herself, so she thought.

When we separate ourselves from God by thinking we do not need Him and can improve ourselves by ourselves, a barrier of that separation is erected. A veiling. A wall. The cherubims were there because mankind separated themselves from God by the their sin.

That veil is upon everyone's heart.
2Co 3:15 KJV But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Moses refers to Law and Law refers to do's and don'ts. It is self improving self by having gained a knowledge of good and evil from a written law. God knew law could not be kept and man would never be able to improve himself by himself, but man had to learn that lesson. Hence, law was a schoolmaster to teach a hard lesson that man cannot improve himself.

But so long as we look to anything about improving ourselves, such as LAW, the veil is on the heart and stays there. It is a separating system, that maintains a veil when we try to serve God in oldness of the letter and law.

But when the heart turns away from do's and don'ts, and looks to Jesus...
2Co 3:16 KJV Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
His sword of the word cuts that veil away!

In the last book of the bible that everyone thinks is about wars and beasts and computer chips, the very first vision was introduced with words that it was a REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.
Rev 1:1 KJV The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
And significantly, REVELATION means UNVEILING. And look what we read:
Rev 1:10 KJV I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
If John heard BEHIND him a great voice, then he had to TURN AROUND to see the one speaking, just as Paul said when the heart TURNS TO THE LORD THE VEIL SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY. John was about to get a revelation of Jesus but he had to turn around like Paul said. When the heart TURNS TO THE LORD. the veil shall be taken away and a REVELATION SHALL OCCUR.
Rev 1:12-13 KJV And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; (13) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
He saw JESUS when HE TURNED. And the SWORD WENT TO WORK CUTTING AWAY A VEIL!
Rev 1:16-17 KJV And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. (17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
The SWORD cut into John! THE WORD. And John experienced a spiritual surgery in his heart. He fell in fear and Jesus SPOKE AGAIN and significantly said FEAR NOT!

John had a veil of FEAR on his heart, and he should never have fell in fright upon seeing Jesus. SO, Jesus had to cut that away with the sword of his mouth.

Like John, people read Revelation and get fearful. Revelation is an OPTIMISTIC eschatology if you read it correctly. If you are afraid to read the book, you have an evil veil on your heart. Someone preached to you a pack of error and instilled fear. Revelation reveals Jesus when presented correctly.

And after hearing words for churches, John saw Jesus like a Lamb go to the throne having conquered death and the grave as a little lamb that was slain but is now standing! RESURRECTION!

And proceed from there to the wars and the beasts and the devil. From the standpoint of having FEAR REMOVED by getting a revelation of Jesus HIMSELF FIRST as king of kings!
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:54 AM
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Re: Veil of flesh

Paul said when the veil is removed we can pear into the face of Jesus Christ and are changed into his same image.
2Co 3:18 KJV But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
The reason we are made into his image when the veil is removed is because the veil is self improving self and that separates us from God. That is the root of sin. Separation from God. Independence of God. And the truth of the Gospel of Jesus DEMANDS we abandon independence and become untied to Jesus' death of the cross. SO, to get back to God the very first thing that removes the veil is the revelation WE NEED JESUS so much that it's insane to think we can get by independently.

Death to independence is demanded. And we die with Jesus without one tiny bit of good works to save ourselves. It's entirely GOD making us righteous and improving us. God did the work, not us. And without faith in THAT, we're out and the veil remains.

Again, the veil is independence by self improving self. That's the reason when Jesus died the veil in the temple ripped. He showed that by taking HIS DEATH as our own, which means forgetting about any hopes of making ourselves righteous and good for God, the veil over our hearts is removed and what separated us from God is gone! The veil of our sin and specifically the sin of independence from God.

That's why GRACE is packed into everything about the gospel. It totally removes the thought that self can improve self. It's demanded that we lose self effort to get saved.

And the reason it changes us more and more into His image, like Adam was before the fall and before the barrier of the veil in the door of the Garden, is because the more we lose our own efforts to act independently of God, the more GOD CAN WORK THROUGH US. When people see God working through us they can't help but see HIS NATURE OF LOVE working through us at the same time. And we become PERFECT vessels of His Spirit by losing self improvement concepts completely from our lives and minds. So, we get out of His way in our own lives, for Him to live through us more and more perfectly, and THAT is being MORE in his image. PEOPLE SEE nothing but Him doing the work in us, and not ourselves making ourselves better.
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Old 02-17-2015, 10:09 AM
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When Jesus'; face shone like the sun, with Moses at his side along with Elijah, it was a contrast of Grace versus Law. Moses' face was veiled and stood of the Law. But Jesus is there shining brighter than Moses ever did, and was not veiled to boot! And light shining from his face speaks of TRUTH preached to us.
Mat 17:1-2 KJV And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, (2) And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

2Co 4:6 KJV For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
That knowledge is TRUTH. It shines into our hearts after the veil is removed form our hearts by turning to Jesus.

And when Jesus shone, a cloud came down and Moses and Elijah vanished and ONLY JESUS REMAINED. That is a message that LAW AND PROPHETS ARE GONE. It's only Jesus. JESUS ONLY!!!! Woohoo!
\Mat 17:8 KJV And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
John experienced Jesus telling him to NOT FEAR just like in the book of Revelation when Jesus' face shone like the sun again!
Mat 17:6-7 KJV And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. (7) And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

Rev 1:16-17 KJV And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. (17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Jesus sometimes overwhelms us when we think HE DOES EVERYTHING and we cannot work ourselves to be good. We become fearful and think if we do not make ourselves good we cannot make it! But Jesus is the one taking the steering wheel! So not fear! THE I AM is going to do the work.
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Re: Veil of flesh

Moses TURNED TO SEE God speaking from a burning bush.

John TURNED TO SEE Jesus standing in burning tree-shaped candlesticks.

Our hearts need to TURN AND SEE Jesus' face shining like the sun to be changed into His same image.

What is His image? RELIANCE ON THE FATHER and inability to do anything on his own! And as He lived by the Father we LIVE BY HIM!
Joh 6:57 KJV As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
He's the tree of life! Moses saw a network of branches that did not burn out because we burn out when we act on our own. Moses' burnt out when he tried to deliver Israel alone. Slew only one Egyptian and got scared for doing that! But God showed him that plugging into JESUS and being a BRANCH with other BRANCHES, would allow him to never burn out. He'd run and not be weary. Walk and not faint.

JOHN SAW THE SAME THING.

He saw Jesus in candlesticks that were seven branches of the menorah locked into the VINE. And they were burning and could never go out.

John would never burn out if he saw himself as a branch on the vine of Jesus.
Joh 15:5 KJV I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
(Man, I am feeling revelation flow as I write this. I never saw some of these things til I just wrote them down now! I saw part of it before and put it in some of my books, but seeing more now! Woohoo!)
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Full reliance on Jesus is FAITH. And we are so afraid to do that. We feel we just have to hold on and do it ourselves. It's hard to leave legalism and leave Law. But legalism is self making yourself good for God.

When people cannot trust that Jesus made us good enough for God then we are legalists! And legalism is a veil on the heart! TURN FROM Moses and legalism, and the veil shall be removed! Fear will go.

Works is the opposite of faith!
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The blood stained doorways in Egypt when the passover occurred show the same picture. Death of the lamb at the doorway represents our way in is to have Christ's death stand as our own, and we're inside freed from the law of sin and death outside the garden/kingdom.

And that demands faith in HIS DEATH ALONE doing the work to save us. When so many think they can throw in their two cents' worth, they'll be kept out for the sake of two cents!
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Bro. Blume, I have never read a more powerful teaching on how trying to save ourselves is in fact the veil that each one of us needs to let the sword and the spirit cut away from us. This is something I realized quite some time ago, that the thing that keeps believers from experiencing the fullness of Christ, is our own hearts and will. We want the power and the glory of Christ, but don't want to come through the blood, and allow the spirit and the word to cut out of us our will that demands to do it our way.

Very very powerful words Bro. B!
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Bro. Blume, I have never read a more powerful teaching on how trying to save ourselves is in fact the veil that each one of us needs to let the sword and the spirit cut away from us. This is something I realized quite some time ago, that the thing that keeps believers from experiencing the fullness of Christ, is our own hearts and will. We want the power and the glory of Christ, but don't want to come through the blood, and allow the spirit and the word to cut out of us our will that demands to do it our way.

Very very powerful words Bro. B!
Very encouraging, thanks!

The more I learn about the cross the more everything else in the Word comes alive! I preached on this on the weekend at some special meetings the revelation kept flowing in the car on my way to preach it! Woohoo!
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2Co 4:3-6 KJV But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: (4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (5) For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. (6) For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
All of this is stated after the 3rd chapter that says the veil is removed when our hearts turn to Christ.

The devil blinded the woman's MIND, with the KNOWLEDGE (a mind-thing) of good and evil.

We need knowledge of the glory of God!
Eph 1:17-19 KJV That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: (18) The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, (19) And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
HIS POWER is stressed as opposed to OUR power in making ourselves righteous.

And it's a REVELATION -- unveiling -- in knowledge of HIM -- TREE OF LIFE is the knowledge of CHRIST, while the forbidden tree is knowledge of good and evil.
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