Are The Democrats Wanton Baby-Killers?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Should the Democrat Party in general be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should individual Democrat legislators be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should the average American who thinks that abortion should be legal at least in cases of rape and incest be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should our country be judged by God for our lack of moral courage in allowing the murder of innocent human babies?

Shouldn't abortion be outlawed because of the basic immorality of murdering human babies?


These really are serious questions.

More to come after I get some sleep.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Should the Democrat Party in general be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should individual Democrat legislators be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should the average American who thinks that abortion should be legal at least in cases of rape and incest be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should our country be judged by God for our lack of moral courage in allowing the murder of innocent human babies?

Shouldn't abortion be outlawed because of the basic immorality of murdering human babies?

These really are serious questions.

More to come after I get some sleep.

I certainly hope so, because if a simple question is your version of a scathing criticism...wow.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I will start a separate thread to do what you want me to do-- it will be a sincere and scathing criticism of the Democrat's willingness to encourage murder.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Should the Democrat Party in general be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Should individual Democrat legislators be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Yes. They are the sole party defending abortion rights. They have control of the Senate and White House and have for the past 6 years. They are solely responsible.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Should the average American who thinks that abortion should be legal at least in cases of rape and incest be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

Yes. Though they don't create the law, they vote the abortion enablers into office.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Should our country be judged by God for our lack of moral courage in allowing the murder of innocent human babies?

Absolutely, and judgement will come for this genocide of the unborn.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Shouldn't abortion be outlawed because of the basic immorality of murdering human babies?

Yes, but we're living in a time when evil is good and good is evil. Democrats and abortion rights activists do not believe abortion is immoral.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Should the Democrat Party in general be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

No. Because regardless of abortion's legality individual women choose to abort for various reasons. If individual women chose not to procure an abortion, we'd have no abortion... legal or not.

Should individual Democrat legislators be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

No. Because regardless of abortion's legality individual women choose to abort for various reasons. If individual women chose not to procure an abortion, we'd have no abortion... legal or not.

Should the average American who thinks that abortion should be legal at least in cases of rape and incest be held responsible for the murder of millions of babies?

No. Because regardless of abortion's legality individual women choose to abort for various reasons. If individual women chose not to procure an abortion, we'd have no abortion... legal or not.

Should our country be judged by God for our lack of moral courage in allowing the murder of innocent human babies?

It depends on one's perspective. For example: Will God judge the entire country for gluttony because all you can eat buffets are legal? Will God judge the entire country for drunkenness because wine is legal? Will God judge the entire country over lust because Playboy is legal? And the list could go on and on...

Regardless of abortion's legality individual women choose to abort for various reasons. If individual women chose not to procure an abortion, we'd have no abortion... legal or not.

Now, we as a country could ban abortion. That might reduce the abortion rate, but that still wouldn't do away with abortion itself. What I think we're failing to see is that individual women chose abortion for various reasons. I rarely hear anyone talk about addressing the issues that these women face in order to reduce the abortion rate. The women are almost completely ignored and the politicians are blamed. That makes me feel like most don't see it as a moral issue... it's almost strictly used as a political attack strategy. You'd think that BOTH sides of the debate would be willing to address the issues that these women face. But they don't. This is because various social strategies aimed at reducing the abortion rate cost money. It's far cheaper to support banning abortion and completely ignore the issues women face and get back to politics as usual.

In a way... those politicizing the issue are just as guilty. Because they are benefiting from it.

Shouldn't abortion be outlawed because of the basic immorality of murdering human babies?

That can be looked in different ways. Yes, one can argue that it's murder and therefore abortion should be banned.

Some might argue that a woman's person is her sovereign possession and, until viability is proven on a case by case basis, the government should have no authority over what she chooses to do with regards to her body. This grants a woman sovereign authority and responsibility over her body and fruit of her womb. The same would argue that prohibiting abortion is equal to seizing a pregnant woman's body, making her essentially a ward of the state, and forcing her to give birth against her will. Therefore, personal the personal sovereignty of a woman's body should be respected even with regards this most difficult and troubling issue.

Many may also argue that the GOVERNMENT is entirely incapable of policing abortion and penalties imposed would not suit the very nature of the ban. For example, do we charge a woman for 1st degree murder if she procures an abortion? What if it were in cases of rape or incest? Wouldn't these exceptions cheapen human life? How do we charge those who perform them? What about a parent who drives their daughter to procure an abortion? Anything less than a murder charge would cheapen the entire premise of the prohibition. In addition, murder doesn't have a statute of limitations. That means that legally we couldn't grandfather "murder". The authorities would have to investigate the medical history of any woman suspect and would have to prosecute those who are known to have had an abortion.

These really are serious questions.

Yes they are.

[Aquila]

Please note, MOST don't vote for Pro-Choice candidates based on the abortion issue. Most vote because said candidates support various personal interests such as jobs, unions, development, healthcare, middle class tax cuts, closing tax loopholes for corporations, or protecting the environment.

Seeing that most "Pro-Life" candidates have done so little to curb the number of abortions... the average American doesn't focus on it.

[Aquila]

Technically, politicians could only be condemned as "baby killers" or "murderers" if they instituted policies that forced women to abort.

And that's another thing. Those concerned with personal sovereignty often argue that if the government can force a woman to give birth against her wishes... it can one day force her to abort against her wishes (for example as we see in China).

[TJJJ]

Get some sleep Jermyn!

[Luke]

Aquila a woman has complete sovereignty over her body and when she chooses to participate in actions that can lead to pregnancy she by making those chocies accepts responsibility for thoses choices. The argument that abortion gives a woman the right control her body is ludicrous abortion is not to allow control it is to terminate. A woman does have the ability to chooses what she does to her self but not what she does to another. What if the aborted baby is a female you kust gave someone else the control of her body. What about her control of her own body? The amuseing thing about the control issue to me is that a woman that geets an abortion is not going in to get her body ripped apart and vacumed out rather it is to get SOMEONE ELSE"S BODY ripped apart and vacumed out. In reality it is not control of her body but of someone else's body.

Here is a very interesting study to look at in relation to this topic:

Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 1%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons.

Abortion is murder!!!!!

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Luke

Aquila a woman has complete sovereignty over her body and when she chooses to participate in actions that can lead to pregnancy she by making those chocies accepts responsibility for thoses choices. The argument that abortion gives a woman the right control her body is ludicrous abortion is not to allow control it is to terminate. A woman does have the ability to chooses what she does to her self but not what she does to another. What if the aborted baby is a female you kust gave someone else the control of her body. What about her control of her own body? The amuseing thing about the control issue to me is that a woman that geets an abortion is not going in to get her body ripped apart and vacumed out rather it is to get SOMEONE ELSE"S BODY ripped apart and vacumed out. In reality it is not control of her body but of someone else's body.

Here is a very interesting study to look at in relation to this topic:

Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 1%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons.

Abortion is murder!!!!!

Bump

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Luke

Aquila a woman has complete sovereignty over her body and when she chooses to participate in actions that can lead to pregnancy she by making those chocies accepts responsibility for thoses choices.

I agree to an extent. But the truth is, people often make love without the intent to have children. I believe most have, if they are honest about it.

The argument that abortion gives a woman the right control her body is ludicrous abortion is not to allow control it is to terminate.

Abortion doesn't give rights. Nor does the government. Personal sovereignty over one's person is a God given right and responsibility.

A woman does have the ability to chooses what she does to her self but not what she does to another.

Pregnancy is a unique situation. No other circumstance in nature reflects the state of being pregnant. We can't deny the personal sovereignty of a woman over her body to protect the fruit of her womb. Most would agree that this is an extremely difficult and complex issue. Do we deny a woman's personal sovereignty to protect the unborn? We'd not deny her personal sovereignty and force her to abort. We'd not force her to give birth against her will, reducing her to a "breeder". But we also don't want to deny any rights to the unborn either. Many have come to the conclusion that since this situation is so unique... the fruit of a woman's womb is hers. It is her body, her womb, her fruit. The fruit being a part of her very person. Therefore any decision involving her person be it related to health or in matters relating to life and death... are best to be hers to make. Now, this is a significant amount of power. Being a person who values life, I pray that more women would use that power for good and not for evil.

What if the aborted baby is a female you kust gave someone else the control of her body. What about her control of her own body?

An unborn child is fruit of the womb. And until born, it's a part of the mother's person.

The amuseing thing about the control issue to me is that a woman that geets an abortion is not going in to get her body ripped apart and vacumed out rather it is to get SOMEONE ELSE"S BODY ripped apart and vacumed out. In reality it is not control of her body but of someone else's body.

Many simply can't swallow the either position. Most don't like abortion. Most believe it's a terrible and tragic thing. Most also can't embrace the idea of forcing a woman to give birth against her will. So, many put the onus on individual women. Let women choose... and answer to their God.

Here is a very interesting study to look at in relation to this topic:

Summary: This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 1%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons.

Yep, I've tried to say that for decades now. Socio-economic reasons. If we're so pro-life... why don't we try to address some of those socio-economic concerns? I'll tell you why... it's cheaper to just vote pro-life and support a ban. It costs money to actually address those deeper socio-economic concerns. Of course, there is a prolife group trying to address these concerns. They are the Democrats for Life of America. Mostly Catholic and Protestant Democrats who value life. They have what is known as the 95-10 Initiative. It's goal is to reduce the abortion rate 95% in 10 years, if the initiatives are signed into law.

Abortion is murder!!!!!

Yes. So is one scared solider shooting another... when both have nothing personal against one another... they were merely commanded to kill by political powers that be.

Life and death decisions are made every day. The power of life and death often rests in an individual's hands given circumstance. It's a fact of life. Having been in the military, I've been able to reconcile with that fact. This doesn't mean that ever life and death decision is right. However, the point is... we're often granted the right to make that decision for good or for bad.