What exactly is Sufi Islam?

[Aquila]

How is Sufi Islam different from Shia and Sunni Islam?

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Aquila

How is Sufi Islam different from Shia and Sunni Islam?

I don't care, one way or the other.
Why would any Christian care?

[KWSS1976]

I think one is peaceful and the other is like Achmed the dead terrorist..

[justlookin]

Originally Posted by Aquila

How is Sufi Islam different from Shia and Sunni Islam?

I'm not sure. Aren't the Sufis the ones who stick stuff through their face and bodies? I don't think the Shia and Sunni muslims do that.

[Aquila]

I remember reading something that stated that the Sufis actually embrace the more spiritual teachings of Mohammed, where as the Shia and the Sunnis are more focused on externals.

For example, the Hajj is a required pilgrimage to Mecca. When a certain Sufi was questioned as to if he had fulfilled the obligation of the Hajj, he explained that yes, he had attended and walked a thousand miles... without even leaving his room. He taught that it's all more about the heart's disposition and placement... not the actual physical pilgrimage. One could go on Hajj and their hearts be far far from worship. Or... one could not embark on the Hajj... but their hearts be focused on Allah.

[holyghost1]

First why should a Christian care?
The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam. The variations with Islam are as varied as what we generically could call the Christian world.
The great fact is as oneness Pentecostals we have a message Islamic people will listen to especially if you witness to them one on one in a non-threatening way.

Case in point while witnessing to an Sunni Muslim from Turkmenistan talking very generally about the Bible the young woman looked at me and said I spoke beautiful Russian. I do not speak Russian but God had spoke to this young woman in her native tongue for 30 minutes.
The case is this Shiite is at the radical end of the spectrum.

Sunni is the moderate in the world of Islam.
When witnessing and praying just remember if your yielded to the Holy Ghost the Holy Ghost can work.

[Strict Baptist]

Sufism is actually the theosophic form of Islam which includes glossolalia; it is rejected by most of the rest of Islamists, Sunna, Shi'ite or the radical Whabbia. It was one of the reasons I left charismatism after my lifelong stent because their tongues are frighteningly similar in induction, tone, timber, pitch and intonation as all so-called Pentecostals. Pardon me for resurrecting an old thread.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

Sufism is actually the theosophic form of Islam which includes glossolalia; it is rejected by most of the rest of Islamists, Sunna, Shi'ite or the radical Whabbia. It was one of the reasons I left charismatism after my lifelong stent because their tongues are frighteningly similar in induction, tone, timber, pitch and intonation as all so-called Pentecostals. Pardon me for resurrecting an old thread.

Sufi don't speak in tongues

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is...s_Christianity

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sufi don't speak in tongues

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is...s_Christianity

"When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: `Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?... We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!'"

Neither do you. ^^ (above) is the miracle of "tongues" as outlined in your book. This is not what you do or what you experience.

The other references to tongues not only describe other tongues but describe what is said. Such as "for they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God" in Acts 10.

I believe the term for what you do is "glossolalia" which really pales to and is not the same as what is described to be a real unusual event (Acts 2) - one that I don't believe has ever been repeated in any of your lifetimes.

Unless you have a specific example. Otherwise you completely ostracize people until they blah blah blah for a few minutes and join your club.

Sorry dude, that's how I see it. Maybe i'm wrong but that's what it looks, smells, and sounds like.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

"When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. Utterly amazed, they asked: `Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?... We hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!'"

Neither do you. ^^ (above) is the miracle of "tongues" as outlined in your book. This is not what you do or what you experience.

The other references to tongues not only describe other tongues but describe what is said. Such as "for they heard them speaking in tongues and magnifying God" in Acts 10.

I believe the term for what you do is "glossolalia" which really pales to and is not the same as what is described to be a real unusual event (Acts 2) - one that I don't believe has ever been repeated in any of your lifetimes.

Unless you have a specific example. Otherwise you completely ostracize people until they blah blah blah for a few minutes and join your club.

Sorry dude, that's how I see it. Maybe i'm wrong but that's what it looks, smells, and sounds like.

I could give you a specific example but I don't think you would believe me. It doesn't concern me, but several others whom I know and have met, and who relate to one another specifically because of a genuine xenolalic experience.

But that's besides the point.

"Speaking in tongues AND praising God" - ie two distinct things. While it is true they were likely praising God in other languages, it is also entirely possible and indeed probable they were doing both. In most Pentecostal meetings (my experience, anyway) you will see the same thing: people speaking in tongues AND praising God. The two go hand in hand. Again, per my experience.

As for foreign languages:

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
(Acts 2:6-8)

A close examination of what is actually written shows a unique phenomenon. Each person who showed up to see what the hubbub was about heard all the disciples speaking in his, the visitor's, own language. Which technically speaking is an ontological impossibility, because a person cannot speak more than one language at a time. So not only were the disciples "speaking in tongues", but a distinct phenomenon occured whereby the visitors understood that "tongue speaking" as their own native language or dialect (that is, the language of the country in which they were from). So the guy from Rome heard all these Galilean disciples speaking Latin, whereas the guy from Parthia heard all those same disciples speaking Parthian, and so forth.

That being the case, the disciples were not simply "speaking in otherwise known foreign languages", but something entirely weird was going on in that first Pentecostal meeting. Along the lines of something that almost nobody can relate to unless they've been in a genuine Pentecostal meeting, in which inexplicable things like this tend to happen. Unfortunately, such meetings are getting rare nowadays, even among those who call themselves "Pentecostal".