By Their Fruits

[Praxeas]

Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

This thought just occured to me. There are many that seek the gifts and perhaps even possess them. Where they fail is like these false prophets...they thought their works would validate them. The gifts are not for personal validation. They are to edify each other and all miraculous works are to validate our Father in heaven. When saints and preaches begin to feel their works, whether in the Spirit or in the natural, validate them is when they become false prophets.

This can be on the exteme level of a nationally or internationally renowned individual or just a local saints whose ego is bigger that the rest of the body...

What think ye? Their fruits will be evident. They might be able to fool some folks for a while and put on a good show, but I believe this failing will eventually catch up with them and their heart issue will be manifest to all

[tv1a]

This goes for the salvation by clothesline crowd as much as the others phalse proffits.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

This thought just occured to me. There are many that seek the gifts and perhaps even possess them. Where they fail is like these false prophets...they thought their works would validate them. The gifts are not for personal validation. They are to edify each other and all miraculous works are to validate our Father in heaven. When saints and preaches begin to feel their works, whether in the Spirit or in the natural, validate them is when they become false prophets.

This can be on the exteme level of a nationally or internationally renowned individual or just a local saints whose ego is bigger that the rest of the body...

What think ye? Their fruits will be evident. They might be able to fool some folks for a while and put on a good show, but I believe this failing will eventually catch up with them and their heart issue will be manifest to all

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by tv1a

This goes for the salvation by clothesline crowd as much as the others phalse proffits.

It goes for EVERYONE and that is how I intended it.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It goes for EVERYONE and that is how I intended it.

Thas right!!


I know a guy who was always praying "...God... show me a sign..."
Well, he'd see more signs that he was in God's will than you see driving down route 66.
He has so much potential for doing something great for the Lord.. but If he ever is used in the gifts, I beleive that he will feel validated.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Thas right!!


I know a guy who was always praying "...God... show me a sign..."
Well, he'd see more signs that he was in God's will than you see driving down route 66.
He has so much potential for doing something great for the Lord.. but If he ever is used in the gifts, I beleive that he will feel validated.

Wow..are we think of the same individual?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

This thought just occured to me. There are many that seek the gifts and perhaps even possess them. Where they fail is like these false prophets...they thought their works would validate them. The gifts are not for personal validation. They are to edify each other and all miraculous works are to validate our Father in heaven. When saints and preaches begin to feel their works, whether in the Spirit or in the natural, validate them is when they become false prophets.

This can be on the exteme level of a nationally or internationally renowned individual or just a local saints whose ego is bigger that the rest of the body...

What think ye? Their fruits will be evident. They might be able to fool some folks for a while and put on a good show, but I believe this failing will eventually catch up with them and their heart issue will be manifest to all

God showed me some things about some people, but I didn't think nothing about it because I thought it was me, but I found out that what I was shown was right.

[Michael The Disciple]

Yes our fruits are a witness of the Spirits work. But signs following is a large part of the Christian faith. Just read the gospels. Yeshua is healing or casting out demons as often as he is doing anything else.

And how about scriptures like these?

21: He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21

22: And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

Not to mention THIS:

17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark:16:17-18

Fruit bearing and signs following are the full expression of the Christian. Not one apart from the other.

[mfblume]

Right, Praxeas,

It all goes back to the same two trees in the Garden. Of which tree has one been partaking, and has experienced that seed (seed is in the fruit) implanted to bring forth the same nature?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'

This thought just occured to me. There are many that seek the gifts and perhaps even possess them. Where they fail is like these false prophets...they thought their works would validate them. The gifts are not for personal validation. They are to edify each other and all miraculous works are to validate our Father in heaven. When saints and preaches begin to feel their works, whether in the Spirit or in the natural, validate them is when they become false prophets.

This can be on the exteme level of a nationally or internationally renowned individual or just a local saints whose ego is bigger that the rest of the body...

What think ye? Their fruits will be evident. They might be able to fool some folks for a while and put on a good show, but I believe this failing will eventually catch up with them and their heart issue will be manifest to all

Somehow these folks who Jesus said he didn't KNOW were not doing the will of the Father and were considered workers of lawlessness (sinners) even though they were used in the gift of prophecy and perhaps in the gifts of healings and miracles which they did in the name of Jesus. Not only that, these people called Jesus, Lord. So it sounds like they must have been filled with the Spirit of God and are considered saints by all outer appearances.

I'm not sure if they fail because they think God using them in the gifts is a validation of their standing with God. I think their failure lies in not doing the will of God and in sin. Maybe they delude themselves in thinking they are right with God because God has used them in the gifts to confirm his word. A prophecy can be faked but a miracle or casting out a demon in the name of Jesus, I don't see how these can be faked. The demon possessed would jump on them if they were faking. I think their failure is in some type of sin and they justify themselves that they are right with God because they are used in the gifts.

My question would then be, why does God use a saint who is not doing his will to heal or prophesy or cast out demons?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Somehow these folks who Jesus said he didn't KNOW were not doing the will of the Father and were considered workers of lawlessness (sinners) even though they were used in the gift of prophecy and perhaps in the gifts of healings and miracles which they did in the name of Jesus. Not only that, these people called Jesus, Lord. So it sounds like they must have been filled with the Spirit of God and are considered saints by all outer appearances.

I'm not sure if they fail because they think God using them in the gifts is a validation of their standing with God. I think their failure lies in not doing the will of God and in sin. Maybe they delude themselves in thinking they are right with God because God has used them in the gifts to confirm his word. A prophecy can be faked but a miracle or casting out a demon in the name of Jesus, I don't see how these can be faked. The demon possessed would jump on them if they were faking. I think their failure is in some type of sin and they justify themselves that they are right with God because they are used in the gifts.

My question would then be, why does God use a saint who is not doing his will to heal or prophesy or cast out demons?

One possibility is he is blessing them to encourage them to greater obedience.

Another is they are simply lying when they claim to do these things. A lot of Preachers claim great things that turn out to be fabricated. The Lord says to them in one place "I never knew you". There were tares and not even Christians period.