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08-18-2013, 03:09 PM
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Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
Ted Cruz was born in canada to an american citizen mother and cuban citizen father. the exact circumstances that birthers accuse Obama of and thereby claim his illegitimacy. can anyone say HYPOCRISY or will birthers attack cruz the same way? ohhh the irony. God must be having a ball.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-birthers.html
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08-18-2013, 04:26 PM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
He isn't the President and the state of Texas does not require you to be born in the US
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08-18-2013, 04:28 PM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
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Ted Cruz was born in canada to an american citizen mother and cuban citizen father. the exact circumstances that birthers accuse Obama of and thereby claim his illegitimacy. can anyone say HYPOCRISY or will birthers attack cruz the same way? ohhh the irony. God must be having a ball.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-birthers.html
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The issue has already come up for Cruz earlier this week when ABC News asked Donald Trump, who has been perhaps the most prominent birther, whether the Texas senator was eligible. “If he was born in Canada, perhaps not,” said Trump. The real-estate millionaire and reality-show host went on to say, ”I don’t know the circumstances. I heard somebody told me he was born in Canada. That’s really his thing.”
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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08-18-2013, 05:30 PM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
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Ted Cruz was born in canada to an american citizen mother and cuban citizen father. the exact circumstances that birthers accuse Obama of and thereby claim his illegitimacy. can anyone say HYPOCRISY or will birthers attack cruz the same way? ohhh the irony. God must be having a ball.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-birthers.html
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You crawl out of your hole to make a dumb post like this!? Really??
There's NO hypocrisy, because Cruz hasn't said anything about running for President, and as was pointed out...Trump already mentioned if it's true Cruz was born in Canada, then he's not eligible.
Big #fail trying to create an issue where there isn't one.
And what, pray tell, does God have to do with this?
BTW....the DailyBeast for a source? They're ALMOST as good as MSNBC, which only is 15% facts and 85% left-wing, liberal lies.
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08-19-2013, 06:19 AM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
I was starting to miss you, DM!
Being the Supreme Court has never directly addressed this issue of who is a natural-born citizen, historical opinion is going to support the view that a natural-born citizen is defined as a person who is entitled to US citizenship, under Constitutional laws of the United States, at birth or by birth by one US citizen born abroad who has met the US residency requirements.
Note that Senator Ted Cruz is arguing that he is a natural-born citizen because his mother was an American citizen. His father is now a naturalized citizen.
A naturalized citizen is a foreigner, Ted's father, who takes steps to become a citizen. Ted Cruz did not ever have to take these steps to become a citizen of this country, because his mother was a United States citizen.
CNN states he is eligible, but I would suspect if he threw his hat in the ring, they would reverse that stand for a distraction during the election cycle.
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08-19-2013, 07:48 AM
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I was starting to miss you, DM!
Being the Supreme Court has never directly addressed this issue of who is a natural-born citizen, historical opinion is going to support the view that a natural-born citizen is defined as a person who is entitled to US citizenship, under Constitutional laws of the United States, at birth or by birth by one US citizen born abroad who has met the US residency requirements.
Note that Senator Ted Cruz is arguing that he is a natural-born citizen because his mother was an American citizen. His father is now a naturalized citizen.
A naturalized citizen is a foreigner, Ted's father, who takes steps to become a citizen. Ted Cruz did not ever have to take these steps to become a citizen of this country, because his mother was a United States citizen.
CNN states he is eligible, but I would suspect if he threw his hat in the ring, they would reverse that stand for a distraction during the election cycle.
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I was lurking from time to time. nothing negative really happening to republicans, so I kept quiet instead of meaningless defense of obama.
My point about cruz is that I am not questioning his eligibility concerning your definition but half of the republican party questioned Obama for the exact same circumstances that Cruz is actually in. anyone who questioned obama could not credibly support cruz. so where does that leave one of your main candidates in the republican scenario????
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08-19-2013, 08:30 AM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
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I was lurking from time to time. nothing negative really happening to republicans, so I kept quiet instead of meaningless defense of obama.
My point about cruz is that I am not questioning his eligibility concerning your definition but half of the republican party questioned Obama for the exact same circumstances that Cruz is actually in. anyone who questioned obama could not credibly support cruz. so where does that leave one of your main candidates in the republican scenario????
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DM, They didn't believe O's birth certificate was legit. That was the Natural-born issue concerning your President.
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08-19-2013, 09:13 AM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
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My point about cruz is that I am not questioning his eligibility concerning your definition but half of the republican party questioned Obama for the exact same circumstances that Cruz is actually in. anyone who questioned obama could not credibly support cruz. so where does that leave one of your main candidates in the republican scenario????
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Wrong. The reason for questioning Obama is because he's been very secretive with his information. He's refused to release and college transcripts, which could show damaging information on his birth place or type of student (ie foreign). And it took years for Obama to finally release what appears to be a fraudulent birth cert.
People had a right to be skeptical, because of the amount of money and time Obama spent trying to hide the info.
Cruz, on the other hand, has already released his Canadian birth cert. Talk about transparency....Obama's all talk and no action. Ted Cruz, however, knows that US laws state he's an American citizen regardless because his mother is an American citizen. He's also a Canadian citizen since he was born in Canada.
Anyone who was skeptical or questioned Obama's eligibility isn't a hypocrite for not questioning Cruz...because Cruz has been completely open about his dual citizenship.
The real question you should be asking, DM, is how will the media handle this? They scoffed and made fun of people for questioning Obama -- their anointed one. I would bet the bank they will change their tune though and try to do what you did and make this an issue, when it's really not one.
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08-19-2013, 09:31 AM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
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Wrong. The reason for questioning Obama is because he's been very secretive with his information. He's refused to release and college transcripts, which could show damaging information on his birth place or type of student (ie foreign). And it took years for Obama to finally release what appears to be a fraudulent birth cert.
People had a right to be skeptical, because of the amount of money and time Obama spent trying to hide the info.
Cruz, on the other hand, has already released his Canadian birth cert. Talk about transparency....Obama's all talk and no action. Ted Cruz, however, knows that US laws state he's an American citizen regardless because his mother is an American citizen. He's also a Canadian citizen since he was born in Canada.
Anyone who was skeptical or questioned Obama's eligibility isn't a hypocrite for not questioning Cruz...because Cruz has been completely open about his dual citizenship.
The real question you should be asking, DM, is how will the media handle this? They scoffed and made fun of people for questioning Obama -- their anointed one. I would bet the bank they will change their tune though and try to do what you did and make this an issue, when it's really not one.
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SLAM DUNK!!!
Shut ole DM up pretty quick there, didn't ya?
DM has been silent because this second term has had a bad start with all of the scandals and Obamacare gaffes. I'd be ashamed to show my face too.
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08-19-2013, 10:08 PM
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Re: Cruz Born in Canada!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
DM, They didn't believe O's birth certificate was legit. That was the Natural-born issue concerning your President.
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Originally Posted by n david
Wrong. The reason for questioning Obama is because he's been very secretive with his information. He's refused to release and college transcripts, which could show damaging information on his birth place or type of student (ie foreign). And it took years for Obama to finally release what appears to be a fraudulent birth cert.
People had a right to be skeptical, because of the amount of money and time Obama spent trying to hide the info.
Cruz, on the other hand, has already released his Canadian birth cert. Talk about transparency....Obama's all talk and no action. Ted Cruz, however, knows that US laws state he's an American citizen regardless because his mother is an American citizen. He's also a Canadian citizen since he was born in Canada.
Anyone who was skeptical or questioned Obama's eligibility isn't a hypocrite for not questioning Cruz...because Cruz has been completely open about his dual citizenship.
The real question you should be asking, DM, is how will the media handle this? They scoffed and made fun of people for questioning Obama -- their anointed one. I would bet the bank they will change their tune though and try to do what you did and make this an issue, when it's really not one.
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Baloney, Baloney, Baloney! The reason half of the republican party opposed Obama's birth certificate and presidency is because they claimed he was born in kenya. Republican definition of "natural born citizen" is to be physically born in U.S. We knew Obama's mother was an american citizen, so according to the current treatment given cruz, Obama should have been treated as an american citizen just because of his mother. He was opposed because it was thought he was born in kenya. That is why Trump is saying that cruz is ineligible, because natural born is defined as within the U.S. not because of a citizen parent. So all birthers who support Cruz are bald faced hypocrites!
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