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Old 05-10-2013, 07:22 PM
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Oneness vs Trinity (Can someone give a non-bias)

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I have become frustrated not being able to find non-bias comparison of Oneness & Trinity..... Every page is an extreme from one to the other...

Just need the facts, not one's opinion (but feel free to give it)...

This church we are visiting is "Oneness" & I'm just trying to grasp what this is in comparison to the Trinity....

Just want to hear what some of you have to say... and I have no idea what sub-forum to post this to. Yes, I did try searching AFF as well...

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Old 05-10-2013, 11:00 PM
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Ok....

I have become frustrated not being able to find non-bias comparison of Oneness & Trinity..... Every page is an extreme from one to the other...

Just need the facts, not one's opinion (but feel free to give it)...

This church we are visiting is "Oneness" & I'm just trying to grasp what this is in comparison to the Trinity....

Just want to hear what some of you have to say... and I have no idea what sub-forum to post this to. Yes, I did try searching AFF as well...

THANKS!
Trinity: God is one being that us tri-personal. Father, Son and Spirit Eternally existed as distinct persons who all are the One God/being. The Son became human

Oneness: God is One being that is singularly personal (or Unipersonal) who became human and existing distinctly in three modes or manifestations.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/ugstsymposium.htm
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/onetrindisagree.htm
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/on...asondiffer.htm
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:43 PM
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Re: Oneness vs Trinity (Can someone give a non-bi

Trinity:

God is three co equal, co eternal Persons each one God in his own right. This is said to be one being.

The second of the co eternal, co equal persons became a man without ceasing to be God.

Oneness:

There is only one God, that is the Father. He caused his word to become flesh while he was still God in his omnipesence.

He exists simultaneously at present as both God and man. Father and Son.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:37 AM
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Trinity: God is one being that us tri-personal. Father, Son and Spirit Eternally existed as distinct persons who all are the One God/being. The Son became human

Oneness: God is One being that is singularly personal (or Unipersonal) who became human and existing distinctly in three modes or manifestations.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/ugstsymposium.htm
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/onetrindisagree.htm
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/on...asondiffer.htm
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Trinity:

God is three co equal, co eternal Persons each one God in his own right. This is said to be one being.

The second of the co eternal, co equal persons became a man without ceasing to be God.

Oneness:

There is only one God, that is the Father. He caused his word to become flesh while he was still God in his omnipesence.

He exists simultaneously at present as both God and man. Father and Son.
Wait, so you both are not in line with what Precis wrote? Difference being that Jesus was in-fact a manifestation of God, and not God's spirit working through a man?

I'm not sure why I'm having such trouble with this.....
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:23 AM
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Re: Oneness vs Trinity (Can someone give a non-bi

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Wait, so you both are not in line with what Precis wrote? Difference being that Jesus was in-fact a manifestation of God, and not God's spirit working through a man?

I'm not sure why I'm having such trouble with this.....
It can, at first, seem a bit confusing. But never fear, Jesus promised that the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.

Scripture makes it clear in many, many places that Jesus Christ is the manifestation of the One True and Living God.

Here are a few scriptures that will help you:

1 Timothy 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 14:8-10
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well:

The Apostle Paul, warns us not to be misled by the philosophies and traditions of men that would seek to deny that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh (a perfect example is found above). Here is the key:

Colossians 2:8-10
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

This is an essential understanding of scripture, not the dogma of a denomination. Scripture is clear that there is only one God and that His Name is Jesus, the One God manifest in the flesh. This is so important that Jesus warned that those who refuse to accept this truth, will die in their sins:

John 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Jesus makes a clear reference to the way in which God identified Himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14. "I AM has sent me."

Many on here will disagree and try to mislead you through persuasive argument. The Scriptures are clear on this issue and there is much more unbiased information we can provide you.

I encourage you in your willingness to wrestle with this issue. It is one of the most rewarding revelations you will ever receive.

Please avail yourself of the links Praxeas provided for you. They are most helpful.
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:05 PM
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Wait, so you both are not in line with what Precis wrote? Difference being that Jesus was in-fact a manifestation of God, and not God's spirit working through a man?

I'm not sure why I'm having such trouble with this.....
No. Did you really understand it? Lol. I find most of what Precis writes to be incoherent. The rest is belligerant rantings and lies. For example Precis said David Bernard and others teach the Son is the second person of the Godhead. What as bunch of hooey
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:07 PM
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Wait, so you both are not in line with what Precis wrote? Difference being that Jesus was in-fact a manifestation of God, and not God's spirit working through a man?

I'm not sure why I'm having such trouble with this.....
Did you not understand what I wrote about the difference between Oneness and Trinity? Did you click the links?
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  1. There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
  3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
  5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
  6. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:52 PM
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Re: Oneness vs Trinity (Can someone give a non-bi

I get what you said, yes. I also thank you and everyone here for your input.

Classes start in the morning for summer, so it'll be a few days till I read in depth what everyone has shared, then I'll give an update

thanks again all
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Old 05-11-2013, 10:40 AM
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Re: Oneness vs Trinity (Can someone give a non-bi

Here are just a few scriptures.

Jehovah God of the Old Testament, is Jesus Christ of the New Testament Statements
Jesus Christ is Father, Son and Holy Ghost and beside Him there is no other God. The scriptures given below will prove Him to be so.

1. Genesis 1:1-In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.
2. 1 Cor. 10:4-Jesus was the Rock
3. Psalm 18:31--And the Rock was God
4. 2 Cor. 11:2--Jesus was the One Husband
5. Jer. 31:32--And the One Husband was God
6. Matt 23:8--Jesus was the One Master
7. Mal. 1:6--And the Master was God
8. John 10:14--Jesus was the One Shepherd
9. Isa. 40:11--And the Shepherd was God
10. Acts 4:12--Jesus was the One Savior
11. Isa. 45:21--And the One Savior was God
12. Luke 1:68--Jesus was the One Redeemer.
13. Isa. 41:14--And the One Redeemer was God
14. Rev. 19:13--Jesus was the Word of God
15. John 1:1--The Word was God
16. Rev. 19:16--Jesus was the Lord of Lords.
17. Deut. 10:17--And the Lord of Lords was God
18. I Cor. 2:8--Jesus was the Lord of Glory.
19. Zech. 14:9--Jesus is the Lord all over the earth. (One Name)
20. Acts 4:12--There is no other Name given among men whereby you must be saved.
21. Philippians 2:10--Every Knee must Bow
22. Isa. 45:23--Every knee must bow to God.
23. John 1:3, 10--Jesus was the One Creator.
24. Heb. 3:3, 4--And the One Creator was God.
25. Col. 1:18--Jesus is the One Head.
26. I Chron. 29:11--And the One Head was God
27. John 1:49,11--Jesus was the King of Israel.
28. Isaiah 44:6--And the King of Israel was God
29. John 8:58--Jesus was the Great I Am.
30. Exodus 30:14--And the I Am was God.
31. John 8:24--Jesus was the I Am He.
32. Deut 8:24--And the I Am He was God.
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Here are just a few scriptures.

Jehovah God of the Old Testament, is Jesus Christ of the New Testament Statements
Jesus Christ is Father, Son and Holy Ghost and beside Him there is no other God. The scriptures given below will prove Him to be so.

1. Genesis 1:1-In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth.
2. 1 Cor. 10:4-Jesus was the Rock
3. Psalm 18:31--And the Rock was God
4. 2 Cor. 11:2--Jesus was the One Husband
5. Jer. 31:32--And the One Husband was God
6. Matt 23:8--Jesus was the One Master
7. Mal. 1:6--And the Master was God
8. John 10:14--Jesus was the One Shepherd
9. Isa. 40:11--And the Shepherd was God
10. Acts 4:12--Jesus was the One Savior
11. Isa. 45:21--And the One Savior was God
12. Luke 1:68--Jesus was the One Redeemer.
13. Isa. 41:14--And the One Redeemer was God
14. Rev. 19:13--Jesus was the Word of God
15. John 1:1--The Word was God
16. Rev. 19:16--Jesus was the Lord of Lords.
17. Deut. 10:17--And the Lord of Lords was God
18. I Cor. 2:8--Jesus was the Lord of Glory.
19. Zech. 14:9--Jesus is the Lord all over the earth. (One Name)
20. Acts 4:12--There is no other Name given among men whereby you must be saved.
21. Philippians 2:10--Every Knee must Bow
22. Isa. 45:23--Every knee must bow to God.
23. John 1:3, 10--Jesus was the One Creator.
24. Heb. 3:3, 4--And the One Creator was God.
25. Col. 1:18--Jesus is the One Head.
26. I Chron. 29:11--And the One Head was God
27. John 1:49,11--Jesus was the King of Israel.
28. Isaiah 44:6--And the King of Israel was God
29. John 8:58--Jesus was the Great I Am.
30. Exodus 30:14--And the I Am was God.
31. John 8:24--Jesus was the I Am He.
32. Deut 8:24--And the I Am He was God.
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