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12-06-2012, 02:20 PM
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Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
cut benefits to the poor. cut medicaid. cut food stamps. cut medicare. cut education. Jesus said, "what you do to the least of these, you do unto me" "blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" "sell all that you have and give to the poor and you will have treasures in heaven" "it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle"
where is the biblical command to cut taxes on the rich? where is the biblical command to help the poor?
liberals and democrats fulfill the teachings of christ more than conservatives or republicans. whose side are you on? i would rather be with christ than with deacon blues.
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12-06-2012, 02:43 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
cut benefits to the poor. cut medicaid. cut food stamps. cut medicare. cut education. Jesus said, "what you do to the least of these, you do unto me" "blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" "sell all that you have and give to the poor and you will have treasures in heaven" "it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle"
where is the biblical command to cut taxes on the rich? where is the biblical command to help the poor?
liberals and democrats fulfill the teachings of christ more than conservatives or republicans. whose side are you on? i would rather be with christ than with deacon blues.
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I don't think conservatives hate the poor and I personally don't believe liberals love them as you seem to believe they do. Liberals see the poor as a vast resource of votes, so the give them what they want or at least make promises they know they can't keep. It's about money and power...that is how they stay in office.
If they loved the poor please explain why and how you liberals keep jacking up the sales tax here in California?
Please explain how you liberals keep the gas prices so high.
Please explain how you liberals chase all the businesses out of California, giving us the highest unemployment.
It's a liberal lie. They say the money is for education but what it's for is the highest teacher salaries and pensions in the nation with the lowest test scores and crumbling school buildings.
Your system keeps them poor but makes sure they can buy McDonalds food. The Rich can afford high gas and high sales tax not the poor.
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12-06-2012, 03:03 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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I don't think conservatives hate the poor and I personally don't believe liberals love them as you seem to believe they do. Liberals see the poor as a vast resource of votes, so the give them what they want or at least make promises they know they can't keep. It's about money and power...that is how they stay in office.
If they loved the poor please explain why and how you liberals keep jacking up the sales tax here in California?
Please explain how you liberals keep the gas prices so high.
Please explain how you liberals chase all the businesses out of California, giving us the highest unemployment.
It's a liberal lie. They say the money is for education but what it's for is the highest teacher salaries and pensions in the nation with the lowest test scores and crumbling school buildings.
Your system keeps them poor but makes sure they can buy McDonalds food. The Rich can afford high gas and high sales tax not the poor.
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i'm not claiming liberals are perfect and i don't know anything about califonia politics, but likewise liberals don't hate the rich like db claims. but whose economic policies line up more with the biblical command?
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12-06-2012, 03:10 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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i'm not claiming liberals are perfect and i don't know anything about califonia politics, but likewise liberals don't hate the rich like db claims. but whose economic policies line up more with the biblical command?
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Liberals are worse. To Liberals the poor are a means to an end. A means to power. A means to revolutions. The poor remain poor under Socialism...they just create more poor to even it out
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- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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12-06-2012, 03:11 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
Liberal tactics are to demonize the rich as they did to Romney. They portray the rich as the uncaring with enough money to solve all our problems but are hording it selfishly.
The Liberals create class warfare
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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12-06-2012, 10:55 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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Liberal tactics are to demonize the rich as they did to Romney. They portray the rich as the uncaring with enough money to solve all our problems but are hording it selfishly.
The Liberals create class warfare
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Prax,
Man you know that Romney sank his own ship with his own words!
Romney gave his enemies a nuclear weapon along with the instructions on how to deploy it and the blueprints for how it's made when he wrote off half of America behind closed doors, thinking that it would never get out to the public how he REALLY feels about AMERICANS!
You know how he REALLY feels about Americans?
Check out the car he just bought-- manufactured in Slovakia!
But just about month ago, he was campaigning and trying to woo Americans who work in plants that manufacture AMERICAN cars!
Romney can keep his cheap, made in China, American flag lapel pin and all his fakery! Half of America didn't buy him and I never did!
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12-06-2012, 03:03 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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cut benefits to the poor. cut medicaid. cut food stamps. cut medicare. cut education. Jesus said, "what you do to the least of these, you do unto me" "blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" "your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" "sell all that you have and give to the poor and you will have treasures in heaven" "it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle"
where is the biblical command to cut taxes on the rich? where is the biblical command to help the poor?
liberals and democrats fulfill the teachings of christ more than conservatives or republicans. whose side are you on? i would rather be with christ than with deacon blues.
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Our "poor" live better than the average citizen in Great Britain. Our "poor' have air conditioned houses, get their nails done, have big screen TV's, have two cars, fancy cell phones, etc.
Now die to liberal economic pol;icy, we certainly will have real poor people here in the near future. But to take Jesus' words concerning the poor completely out of context is outrageous. He was not speaking to secular governments. He was speaking to individuals.
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12-06-2012, 03:09 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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Our "poor" live better than the average citizen in Great Britain. Our "poor' have air conditioned houses, get their nails done, have big screen TV's, have two cars, fancy cell phones, etc.
Now die to liberal economic pol;icy, we certainly will have real poor people here in the near future. But to take Jesus' words concerning the poor completely out of context is outrageous. He was not speaking to secular governments. He was speaking to individuals.
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why can't governments who are made up of conscience individuals try to fulfill the biblical command? didn't god give laws to israel concerning the poor? isn't that a biblical ideal government? nations are judged as well as individuals. i think it is you that has a selective context and interpretation.
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12-06-2012, 03:46 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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why can't governments who are made up of conscience individuals try to fulfill the biblical command? didn't god give laws to israel concerning the poor? isn't that a biblical ideal government? nations are judged as well as individuals. i think it is you that has a selective context and interpretation.
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What government do you think we live under? We are not in Israel, nor does our nation follow biblical commands. It is not the governments job to take care of the poor. From a Christian principle, the Church is to take care of the poor.
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12-06-2012, 04:32 PM
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Re: Why Do Conservatives Hate The Poor?
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What government do you think we live under? We are not in Israel, nor does our nation follow biblical commands. It is not the governments job to take care of the poor. From a Christian principle, the Church is to take care of the poor.
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who is to say it is not the government's job to take care of the poor? what about christians in government that want to take care of the poor? the constitution talks about the general welfare:
The United States Constitution contains two references to "the General Welfare", one occurring in the Preamble and the other in the Taxing and Spending Clause. The U.S. Supreme Court has held the mention of the clause in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution "has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the Government of the United States or on any of its Departments." [2][3]
Moreover, the Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. [4][5] Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power,[4][6] but a qualification on the taxing power[4][7][8] which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government.[4][9][10] The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position", [4] as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States. [11]
As such, these clauses in the U.S. Constitution are an atypical use of a general welfare clause, and are not considered grants of a general legislative power to the federal government. [
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