Will Santorum and Gingrich Listen?

CC1 · #1 04-03-2012, 06:05 PM

Over the last few days prominent conservative Republicans (and other moderate ones) have called on Santorum and Gingrich to concede for the sake of the Republican party's chances in November.

These include Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Tom Coburn and John Ashcroft. Now today the head of the ACU (American Conservative Union) has done the same.

I have been saying this for two months now! If the Repubs are going to have any chance to win in November we have to stop attacking each other and unify behind a candidate.

It is clear there is no way for RS or NG to earn enough delegates to win the nomination. All they can do is prolong the animosity and insure a contentious convention instead of spending the next months focusing on campaigning against Obama. I believe at this point these two men are just running on ego and not putting the interest of the party and country ahead of that ego.

Hoovie · #2 04-03-2012, 06:22 PM

To be fair, at his current pace, it's nearly impossible for Romney to "earn enough delegates to win the nomination" as well!

I am not convinced this primary has/is hurt[ing] the final vote numbers (come Dec.). A resistant conservative faction will be more likely to embrace the ultimate nominee if they see leaders within the party that have similar reservations but endorsed in the end. The RNC needs conservative delegates!

Pressing-On · #3 04-03-2012, 06:44 PM

CC1,
I don't see any reason for any candidate to drop out. Romney may be the frontrunner, but more Republicans have voted against him than they have for him.

The reality, at this moment, is that Romney has won 50% +1 in 7 of 33 states. 26 states or territories had more voting against him. So, again, there is no need to end the primary.

The other candidates have a responsibility to their base to stay in until Tampa. We haven't voted in Texas yet and I would appreciate getting to vote for who I want in the Primary. My choice isn't Romney. We also have a debate coming up in May that Gingrich, Santorum and Paul agreed to. Last time I checked it is only April. Romney is the only candidate who didn't agree to attend.

Virginia is probably going to be under investigation for rigging it's primary. Arizona and Florida jumped the gun on their original rules which forbids states from awarding a winner-take-all before April 1. Santorum plans to challenge this before the convention. The Romney camp manipulating the rules is going to have a negative effect on the convention floor.

It's not all that cut and dried. And it's not going to hurt the Republican Party to have a brokered or contested convention.

Romney needs to earn his delegates. It's a fear tactic to say that it will hurt us in the election. We need the process to play out how it was set up to play out. Let everyone vote in their primaries. If the GOP is worried about what is going on in this election cycle, look at Romney's record and don't get mad at us Republicans who want their vote to count.

If Romney was such a bang up candidate, he wouldn't be having this problem. Even McCain was further ahead in the primary season, at this time, than Romney is. Don't tell us to convalesce around Romney. If he gets the delegates we will, but we aren't ready to do that at this time.

Hoovie · #4 04-03-2012, 06:56 PM

I try to put myself in the shoes of a "swing voter" (which I really am not). They are ultimately the ones thst determine the outcome of the election. Would I be more prone to vote for a candidate that fought all the way, or would I place a vote because a certain party had its leaders rally to their man early on???

Pressing-On · #5 04-03-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

I try to put myself in the shoes of a "swing voter" (which I really am not). They are ultimately the ones thst determine the outcome of the election. Would I be more prone to vote for a candidate that fought all the way, or would I place a vote because a certain party had its leaders rally to their man early on???

I would be more prone to vote for the candidate that fought all the way. That's the big turn off toward Romney - the party leaders are rallying around their man early. And what has happened is that even though Rubio and Ryan jumped on the endorsement, it didn't change a thing for Romney. He isn't any more palatable than he was before.

Pressing-On · #6 04-03-2012, 08:43 PM

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B]Santorum: We’d certainly be anxious to join forces with Newt to ensure a conservative nominee[/B]

Santorum told Hannity that he’s not sure exactly what this coalition with Newt would look like, but he’s certainly interested in joining forces with Newt to make sure the GOP has a conservative nominee.

Santorum talks about the brokered convention which he says really isn’t a brokered convention in the old sense and that we should stop referring to it that way. He says it’s going to be an open convention where unbound delegates can choose the candidate they actually prefer.

Video:

http://www.therightscoop.com/santoru...ative-nominee/

My American spirit wants to rise up and cheer them on! I can't stand the GOP Establishment. I want an historical victory!!! Go boys, bring it!!! It would be so cool for them to pull it off! Maybe they won't, but I want them to try.

CC1 · #7 04-03-2012, 09:00 PM

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My American spirit wants to rise up and cheer them on! I can't stand the GOP Establishment. I want an historical victory!!! Go boys, bring it!!! It would be so cool for them to pull it off! Maybe they won't, but I want them to try.

I don't mean to be mean but I think you are delusional if you think there is a chance of them "pulling it off". I can tell you right now they are turning off as many Repub voters, like myself, as they are making ones like you happy and cheering. Santorum is a terrible campaigner and Gingrich, although brilliant, has a lot of issues I have previously outlined I won't go into again. Suffice it to say I think he has no business running for President. If we have to stoop to his moral character for a leader out of over 300 million citiziens we truly are doomed.

Pressing-On · #8 04-03-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I don't mean to be mean but I think you are delusional if you think there is a chance of them "pulling it off". I can tell you right now they are turning off as many Repub voters, like myself, as they are making ones like you happy and cheering. Santorum is a terrible campaigner and Gingrich, although brilliant, has a lot of issues I have previously outlined I won't go into again. Suffice it to say I think he has no business running for President. If we have to stoop to his moral character for a leader out of over 300 million citiziens we truly are doomed.

Non-weekly church going Catholics voted for Romney over Santorum 54%-19% in Wisconsin tonight. And Romney, also, only won voters over 45.

He needs to earn his delegates.

Don't worry, I will vote my party line, but I like a good fight - bring it!

Dordrecht · #9 04-03-2012, 07:11 PM

Politicians never listen.
Not after they are voted in anyways...

CC1 · #10 04-03-2012, 08:58 PM

I believe you guys are dead wrong and the ego of Santorum and Gingrich are going to likely cost us the election in November (Hoovie in my country we have it in November - not sure where your December elections is!!!)

Nothing good is coming from the Repub candidates spending another five months bashing each other. I am astounded you guys think it is a good plan.

I believe keeping Obama from furthering his far left agenda in a second term should take precedence this election over trying to get the most conservative nominee.