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Old 05-17-2007, 11:28 AM
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The Foundation of Salvation is built upon Doctrine..

The Foundation of Salvation is built upon Doctrine.

Good People that do good works will not be saved unless they recognize they need God. The principles of Salvation do not work according to the laws and thoughts of men. The root principle of salvation is built upon the doctrine laid forth in the Word of God. It is built upon doctrinal truth in the Word of God.

A person can be filled with the Holy Ghost and not understand Doctrine but they must begin a journey of knowing WHO God is after his Spirit is imputed in them. If they recieve the Holy Ghost but never come to understand WHO He is, than the chances of them walking away from the Gospel are greatly acclerated. Some know Who He is and choose to walk away anyway and when that day comes there will be a recompense of judgement.

I do believe Doctrine is important. Not knowing Who God is or confused by the Doctrines set forth by men not founded in the Word will not save men.
Jesus said if you've seen me you have seen the Father. He asked the disciples who they thought he was. When Peter answered Christ told him that upon the Rock of Recognizing WHO Jesus was that the foundations of the church would be built upon it and Hell would not prevail against it.

Some do not think the Doctrine is important concering salvation. God's laws are still in effect for mankind in that He will not act contrary to His Word. He will not judge men contrary to what he has laid as the foundation of mankinds salvation.

Repentence, Baptism in Jesus Name and the infilling of God's Spirit evidenced by the supernatural work of speaking in a unkown tongue and living our lives according to His Word will in fact ensure that if we live our lives for Him we will be saved. Understanding our faults and repenting of our sins and living an overcoming life by the power and good will and mercies of God will be our saving grace.

False Doctrine won't save men because God will not veer from what He has laid forth in the Word of God. God does not lie so He will not circumvent the Gospel to appease what man feels or thinks. He will not change His plan laid forth in Word because of the opinions of man. The truth is if we are not following His plan we will be lost no matter how spiritual we are. God is not interested in the popularity of celebrity preachers or the oratory abilites of those who's lifestyles depends upon the shallowness of unregenerated and unchanged lives hoping that by giving they don't need the rest of the Word of God.

I don't think Folks will sneak into Heaven just by getting by or what they've done on this earth. The greatest among us are the least. And the most powerful are those that do their best to live God's Word daily without man's praise or opinion.

Sorry for the length.. BUT Doctrine Matters!!! One Lord.. One Faith.. One Baptism...

Not what men think.. But What Does Say the Word of the Lord..

just a thought...
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Old 05-17-2007, 11:59 AM
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good words bro. both times i read it.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:56 PM
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Since doctrine is the same as teachings, then yes Salvation rest on the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and Prophets.


1 Timothy 4:2 - 8 (KJV) 1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
7 But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
8 For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

2 Timothy 4:2 - 4 (KJV) 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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good words bro. both times i read it.
But more replies elsewhere.
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true true. being one who reqires floaties when in the deep end of the pool, i keep my posts on subjects like this one, over here in the shallow end.
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Excellent post, Rev.

I like these verses...


Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Obedience to the doctrine was what got them out of their sin.
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Excellent post, Rev.

I like these verses...


Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Obedience to the doctrine was what got them out of their sin.
Great point!

What was Jesus' doctrine? What did He teach? If we don't learn that there is no hope for us!
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Great point!

What was Jesus' doctrine? What did He teach? If we don't learn that there is no hope for us!
Check out John 3 for starters.
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Doctrine SAVES us.

"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee" (1 Timothy 4:16).
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