Who are the mosr influential men or women in the world of Oneness Pentecostalism today?
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TD Jakes comes to mind, wouldn't he be the most famous/influencial Oneness Pentecostal?
Seems to me that there is a huge movement to go the way of TD Jakes.
I wonder if there are more TD Jakesque Oneness Pentecostals then there are UPCers.
I guess what I would also like to know would be if there is some sort of ministerial alliance of TDJ OPs.
The next thing I would want to know is what will the next gen raised under a TDJesque OP ministry be?
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This thread poses a good question. 20 years ago it would have been easy for me to have made a list;
Nathianal Urshan
James Kilgore
Anthony Mangun
Kenneth Haney
David Barnard
Murrell Ewing
C.L. Dee's
T.L. Craft
and a few more I am sure I am missing. Having been only casually associated with UPC culture since then I don't know who are considered the most influential now other than the obvious;
David Barnard
Anthony Mangun
Paul Mooney
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
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"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
TD Jakes seems ashamed of Oneness teaching if what I have heard over time is true. If he promotes it good for him but Im not aware of instances where he does.
I certainly hope he is not the best Oneness has to offer.
TD Jakes seems ashamed of Oneness teaching if what I have heard over time is true. If he promotes it good for him but Im not aware of instances where he does.
I certainly hope he is not the best Oneness has to offer.
TD Jakes also has made the statement that homosexuals and muslims could possibly be saved as Jesus said "I have OTHER sheep which are not of this fold." A prominent member of his church (Micheal Irvin) was on the cover of the gay magazine OUT in July and on an article on the inside spoke out in favor of the gay marriage legislation in New York state. Jakes has preached for Joel Osteen (thus endorsing Osteen's watered down unbiblical gospel, even leaning on the pulpit saying "someone take my picture I'm at Lakewood") and was given a brand new BENTLEY by mega church "pastor" Paula White even as she was going througha divorce from Randy White. Not to mention his prosperity gospel and attitude towards consumer driven church even saying on national TV "Jesus is the PRODUCT."
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
TD Jakes also has made the statement that homosexuals and muslims could possibly be saved as Jesus said "I have OTHER sheep which are not of this fold." A prominent member of his church (Micheal Irvin) was on the cover of the gay magazine OUT in July and on an article on the inside spoke out in favor of the gay marriage legislation in New York state. Jakes has preached for Joel Osteen (thus endorsing Osteen's watered down unbiblical gospel, even leaning on the pulpit saying "someone take my picture I'm at Lakewood") and was given a brand new BENTLEY by mega church "pastor" Paula White even as she was going througha divorce from Randy White. Not to mention his prosperity gospel and attitude towards consumer driven church even saying on national TV "Jesus is the PRODUCT."
O ,my God , you made my day with that last part....
Jesus was sold only once and for only 30 pieces of silver
TD Jakes also has made the statement that homosexuals and muslims could possibly be saved as Jesus said "I have OTHER sheep which are not of this fold." A prominent member of his church (Micheal Irvin) was on the cover of the gay magazine OUT in July and on an article on the inside spoke out in favor of the gay marriage legislation in New York state. Jakes has preached for Joel Osteen (thus endorsing Osteen's watered down unbiblical gospel, even leaning on the pulpit saying "someone take my picture I'm at Lakewood") and was given a brand new BENTLEY by mega church "pastor" Paula White even as she was going througha divorce from Randy White. Not to mention his prosperity gospel and attitude towards consumer driven church even saying on national TV "Jesus is the PRODUCT."
Bishop Jakes has NEVER said anything close to this.
If someone wants to twist what he said into this interpretation, then that is an example of them twisting his intent when he spoke.
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Bishop Jakes has NEVER said anything close to this.
If someone wants to twist what he said into this interpretation, then that is an example of them twisting his intent when he spoke.
Jermyn, your keep up with religious issues like you do with political ones-very poorly. This isn't even "new" news. Furthermore the quotes I mentioned above were pretty much verbatim, in fact to Jakes compares the sin of PRACTICING (i.e ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING) in homoesuxality with "being rude to somebody". Listen for yourself, the whole clip is only 2:22, the homosexuality question starts at 1:24:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xL2E10JJE
This doesn't even touch on his comments that strongly indicate he believes Ruth and Naomi had a "lesbian relationship". There is no twisting necessary, here is the quote: "Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.” ~T D Jakes
Audio available here:http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpr...than-were-gay/
"I think that Jesus is the product" @ the 23 second mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omLJT73j6MQ
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
[QUOTE=Jason Badejo;1101392]Jermyn, your keep up with religious issues like you do with political ones-very poorly. This isn't even "new" news. Furthermore the quotes I mentioned above were pretty much verbatim, in fact to Jakes compares the sin of PRACTICING (i.e ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING) in homoesuxality with "being rude to somebody". Listen for yourself, the whole clip is only 2:22, the homosexuality question starts at 1:24:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xL2E10JJE
This doesn't even touch on his comments that strongly indicate he believes Ruth and Naomi had a "lesbian relationship". There is no twisting necessary, here is the quote: "Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.” ~T D Jakes
Audio available here:http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpr...than-were-gay/
Jason,
From your first video.
His point is that there are aren't any degrees of sin-- no big sins, no little sins-- just sin.
The reporter tried to paint Jakes as a gay-basher by his question and he answered wisely.
Not once did he condone homosexuality, not once did he say it wasn't sin.
Actually, he placed all sins in the same context that the Bible presents sin-- ALL SIN is SIN.
NOWHERE IN THE VIDEO DID HE UTTER THE WORDS MUSLIMS NAD GAYS MIGHT BE SAVED-- if you read that into his statement, then it is because you wanted to read that into his statement.
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