The Problem Ain't With The President

[seekerman]

The problems in America isn't with who's in the White House folks, the problem is a spiritual one. There's not a dimes worth of difference between the politics of Bush and the politics of Obama....they're both career politicians with allegiance to large contributor political cronies.

Worse case scenario....God makes the necessary spiritual adjustments needed.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The problems in America isn't with who's in the White House folks, the problem is a spiritual one. There's not a dimes worth of difference between the politics of Bush and the politics of Obama....they're both career politicians with allegiance to large contributor political cronies.

Worse case scenario....God makes the necessary spiritual adjustments needed.

Seekerman... I would have to disagree with you to some extent. The guy in the White House is responsible for the following....


At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment

What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "pass it and then read it!!." Here it is!

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Obama Care Highlighted by Page Number


THE CARE BILL HB 3200


JUDGE KITHIL IS THE 2ND OFFICIAL WHO HAS OUTLINED THESE PARTS OF THE CARE BILL.

Judge Kithil of Marble Falls, TX - highlighted the most egregious pages of HB3200


Please read this........ especially the reference to pages 58 & 59


JUDGE KITHIL wrote:

** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.


** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.


** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).

** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)

** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.


** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.


** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.


** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counseling..)

** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.


HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on to identify:

"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."

- Honorable David Kithil of Marble Falls, Texas

Been Thinkin

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Seekerman... I would have to disagree with you to some extent. The guy in the White House is responsible for the following....


At age 76 when you most need it, you are not eligible for cancer treatment

What Nancy Pelosi didn't want us to know until after the healthcare bill was passed. Remember she said, "pass it and then read it!!." Here it is!

While the president may be involved, it's not the president alone doing this, it's our legislative and judicial bodies, along with the executive. For example, bush alone wasn't responsible for the payoff, in the billions, to the rich folks in the banking industry it took congress and the judicial branches to allow such to happen. Bush was a horrible president and so is obama.

The root of the problem though is spiritual. Bush, obama, congress,the court system and those in power before them have walked hand in hand with the forces of spiritual darkness, no matter if they realized it or not. Until the spiritual realm changes, there will be no change in the behavior of our elected officials.

[Jermyn Davidson]

BT,

You should have checked this out before posting it.

What you have posted is almost all bogus.


Do a search for "Honorable David Kithil" and you will find what I found.




http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

BT,

You should have checked this out before posting it.

What you have posted is almost all bogus.


Do a search for "Honorable David Kithil" and you will find what I found.




http://www.<font color="DarkRed"><fo...cal/kithil.asp

Snopes is a bad site that is popular with the Daily Kos leftist crowd.

Snopes can't google any better than anyone else.

That is all they do. They drool over the lefty opinion blogs just like JD.

Honest people do their own work and ignore snopes. Too wron, too biased and too sloppy.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

BT,

You should have checked this out before posting it.

What you have posted is almost all bogus.


Do a search for "Honorable David Kithil" and you will find what I found.




http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

JD, how do you do a truth search on snopes? They just simply respond to any and everything and that's it? Do you suppose there are human beings making these statements of whether something is true or not? Do those human beings vote? Do they have a political slant?

Wouldn't it be great if you could set you up a website about spiritual matters and tell everyone you were the final answer and everyone just accepted that as fact. Again, who checks out snopes to see if what snopes says is truth?

Been Thinkin

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

While the president may be involved, it's not the president alone doing this, it's our legislative and judicial bodies, along with the executive. For example, bush alone wasn't responsible for the payoff, in the billions, to the rich folks in the banking industry it took congress and the judicial branches to allow such to happen. Bush was a horrible president and so is obama.

The root of the problem though is spiritual. Bush, obama, congress,the court system and those in power before them have walked hand in hand with the forces of spiritual darkness, no matter if they realized it or not. Until the spiritual realm changes, there will be no change in the behavior of our elected officials.

Seek, the President usually sets the direction. He set the tone and direction for Heath Care reform..rather than work on their budget back then they were figuring out new ways to spend your money because he said so

Anyways, the Spiritual condition of America is to a great extent part of the problem

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Seek, the President usually sets the direction. He set the tone and direction for Heath Care reform..rather than work on their budget back then they were figuring out new ways to spend your money because he said so

Anyways, the Spiritual condition of America is to a great extent part of the problem

I believe when the spiritual problem is taken care of, righteousness will follow, no matter who's president or if congress is democrat or republican.

Until then, be it bush or obama or whoever the next president will be, we'll continue this downward spiral which we're now experiencing in america....and the world.

[Dagwood]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I believe when the spiritual problem is taken care of, righteousness will follow, no matter who's president or if congress is democrat or republican.

Until then, be it bush or obama or whoever the next president will be, we'll continue this downward spiral which we're now experiencing in america....and the world.

Home is where it all begins. All things spiritual, political, and life in general. So, for the current state of America and her politicians, we can thank the activities (or, lack of) that have taken place and take place now behind the doors of each home.

We all have our likes and dislikes about each president all the way back to Washington himself. However, until time starts moving backward, we can only focus on what's going on now and pray for God's direction and intervention for the things to come; use what's happened in the past as a tool of learning instead of harping on and continously playing the blame game. There is a difference between blaming the past and learning from it...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I believe when the spiritual problem is taken care of, righteousness will follow, no matter who's president or if congress is democrat or republican.

Until then, be it bush or obama or whoever the next president will be, we'll continue this downward spiral which we're now experiencing in america....and the world.

Maybe, maybe not. America has never been a wholly Spiritually correct nation. There have and always will be corrupt men