Killing Bulls & Goats Was Easier Than Grace

Mr. Smith · #1 03-29-2011, 10:39 AM

To those of you who believe that one must 1) Repent; 2) Be baptized; and 3) Be filled with the Holy Spirit only by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues.......

......it was easier to be right with God in the Old Testament when all you had to do was obey the Levitical law and drag animals to the Tabernacle to be sacrificed.

Why? Because there are some people who try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to "Get the Holy Ghost" and just never can speak in tongues. For those people, it would be easier to just kill a goat.

And to those of you who believe that a person is saved at repentance but that a person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit until they display the initial sign of speaking in tongues, it would be easier to just be one of the "Holy men of God" that spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and just go kill goat.

Why? Because there are people that try and try and try and try and try and try and try, to be filled with the Spirit so they can have the power everyone else does, but they just can't pull it off.

According to these beliefs, maybe the New Covenant isn't all that great.

onefaith2 · #2 03-29-2011, 10:43 AM

Easier to obey the 613 commandments of the law than to believe if God said he would give you the Holy Ghost, He will do it? On what planet would obeying commandments be easier than just accepting the promises of God and waiting for those to happen?

Mr. Smith · #3 03-29-2011, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Easier to obey the 613 commandments of the law than to believe if God said he would give you the Holy Ghost, He will do it? On what planet would obeying commandments be easier than just accepting the promises of God and waiting for those to happen?

It would be easier to obey 5,000 commandments that were possible than one commandment that was impossible.

onefaith2 · #4 03-29-2011, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It would be easier to obey 5,000 commandments that were possible than one commandment that was impossible.

The Holy Ghost isn't a commandment, its a promise. If someone believe Acts 2:38 and does their part, God will do his. Sometimes it takes time, but to give up is to quit believing the promise is already theirs. Faith is about going on what isn't seen, not what is seen. I know its hard because what some preach from the pulpit, but if those would recognize the power of God's promises, and that they never fail; this would not be an issue with the desperate believe who wants to receive the Holy Ghost to be saved from hell. God will save them if they seek Christ Jesus. Its a promise. So if salvation is a promise and the HG is a promise, one can understand God will come through, no matter how long it takes them to "speak in tongues"

Mr. Smith · #5 03-29-2011, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onefaith2

The Holy Ghost isn't a commandment, its a promise. If someone believe Acts 2:38 and does their part, God will do his. Sometimes it takes time, but to give up is to quit believing the promise is already theirs. Faith is about going on what isn't seen, not what is seen. I know its hard because what some preach from the pulpit, but if those would recognize the power of God's promises, and that they never fail; this would not be an issue with the desperate believe who wants to receive the Holy Ghost to be saved from hell. God will save them if they seek Christ Jesus. Its a promise. So if salvation is a promise and the HG is a promise, one can understand God will come through, no matter how long it takes them to "speak in tongues"

Alrighty, I'll rephrase it to fit your theology:

It's easier to obey 5,000 commandments than to see one promise fulfilled that is never fulfilled. And you know, the word "Promise" makes this entire discussion even sillier. So here we have scores of people who have fulfilled the "commandment" part after being told that if they do, they'll get something, and then they beg and beg and beg and beg and beg to receive the "Promise" and never get what they were "promised." Doesn't seem like much of a "promise" to me.

Can you hand me a knife? I'm gonna go kill a bull. It's a lot easier than your "promise."

Socialite · #6 03-29-2011, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onefaith2

The Holy Ghost isn't a commandment, its a promise. If someone believe Acts 2:38 and does their part, God will do his. Sometimes it takes time, but to give up is to quit believing the promise is already theirs. Faith is about going on what isn't seen, not what is seen. I know its hard because what some preach from the pulpit, but if those would recognize the power of God's promises, and that they never fail; this would not be an issue with the desperate believe who wants to receive the Holy Ghost to be saved from hell. God will save them if they seek Christ Jesus. Its a promise. So if salvation is a promise and the HG is a promise, one can understand God will come through, no matter how long it takes them to "speak in tongues"

All the cute little tag lines we say, but when viewed in how they are practiced it is not so.

I also believe it's a promise. So what that means is, Spirit Baptism is something Jesus would love the Church to have for mission, and there's no use being anxious about it, saying Acts 2:38 is a command (but then qualifying the Holy Spirit part despite pleading people to "get saved" and come to the front and receive the Spirit)....

We say so many things to smooth this out, but it's like one of those shirts that come pre-packaged... some of those creases just aren't coming out.

onefaith2 · #7 03-29-2011, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socialite

All the cute little tag lines we say, but when viewed in how they are practiced it is not so.

I also believe it's a promise. So what that means is, Spirit Baptism is something Jesus would love the Church to have for mission, and there's no use being anxious about it, saying Acts 2:38 is a command (but then qualifying the Holy Spirit part despite pleading people to "get saved" and come to the front and receive the Spirit)....

We say so many things to smooth this out, but it's like one of those shirts that come pre-packaged... some of those creases just aren't coming out.

Yep you apparently don't understand God's promises in the way I'm seeing them. He never fails on his end, NEVER. Tongues or not tongues yet, you are going to get everything you need to be ready to enter heaven, if you continue to trust in Him.

Sort of like the disciples saying, JEsus show us everything NOW.. Jesus says you are not able yet. Or the believer saying, I want all truth now, yet Jesus says the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.

Amazing what patience and trust in this book would actually do if apostolics would practice it in these situations.

Austin · #8 03-29-2011, 10:45 AM

Actually the bible said it is a gift from God. So that is more on the level that all we have to do is believe and ask for it. I'm suspicious your point is different from your post.

Mr. Smith · #9 03-29-2011, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austin

Actually the bible said it is a gift from God. So that is more on the level that all we have to do is believe and ask for it. I'm suspicious your point is different from your post.

Yes, all we have to do is believe and ask for it. Luke 11 says so. But many believe, many ask, but many come up empty on tongues.

onefaith2 · #10 03-29-2011, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Yes, all we have to do is believe and ask for it. Luke 11 says so. But many believe, many ask, but many come up empty on tongues.

None of us have come back with eternal life yet either. We still are awaiting heaven. Does that stop us from believing? Jesus said he would come back yet 2000 years have passed by, no return yet.. does that stop us from believing?

I hope our churches get the revelation of God's promises instead of forcing people to seek for tongues when the experience is promised to them if they believe