What is the Gospel? (Chester & Vandersteit)

[Maximilian]

A good discussion about the Gospel, the Church, being a believer, etc...

The answer at the 13-minute mark is strong. What does it mean to follow Jesus?

http://www.archive.org/details/121De...effVanderstelt

[Socialite]

That's the guy from the Crowded House!

[Aquila]

I found something that Paul wrote interesting....

Romans 10:8-13
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Interesting eh?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I found something that Paul wrote interesting....

Romans 10:8-13
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Interesting eh?

What's the rub? Is this in response to something in the video? Or answering the thread title question?

[Maximilian]

Some interesting excerpts regarding the Gospel community and youth:

Families doing mission and ministry together... a lot of parents don't have a clue how to disciple even their own kids and I think the churches have to take seriously calling and equipping parents to do that... 65% of the homes where I pastor are led by single-parent moms, we have to go and say "how do we come alongside you and provide a godly man and godly example...." It needs to be inter-generational... parents have primary task... everyone in the church is called to take seriously the development of the young woman and younger man (not just the guy we call 'youth pastor').. when I was a youth pastor, people would come to me and say 'hey i met this kid on my block, he's a teenager, he plays football, you guys should get connected.' i'd respond and say 'you actually live on his block and know his story better than i do, how about i train you how to reach out and disciple this young man?"

Peer ministry is over-rated... this idea where you get a couple hundred young people in a building on a Friday night with a youth leader... they spend the evening flirting with each other then you give them a nugget at the end... I think that is over-rated because I think discipleship takes place in community. I'm not against it, but what we've found, in our experience what's been very significant in the lives of young people, particularly teens, people who are older than them, Christians, but younger than their parents, who are in their life, sharing life, not in any kind of formal sense, but just people part of the same community who are interested in them, doing stuff with them, have them around watching tv, going to movies... not only are they able to disciple them and to input into their lives but they are a model of what it means to be a Christian without being like their parents (inter-generational)

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Socialite

What's the rub? Is this in response to something in the video? Or answering the thread title question?

Just something the thread title reminded me of. Not a bad video though.

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Just something the thread title reminded me of. Not a bad video though.

It was a good discussion for anyone that took the time to listen in.

Sounds like teaching that you'd find agreeable as well, Aquila.

[Maximilian]

The biggest emphasis on this clip is MAKING DISCIPLES. Not planting churches, but creating disciples and then becoming churches. Not having church, but making disciples. Not having event-centered activities, but relationship-centered discipleship.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

The biggest emphasis on this clip is MAKING DISCIPLES. Not planting churches, but creating disciples and then becoming churches. Not having church, but making disciples. Not having event-centered activities, but relationship-centered discipleship.

"Go ye therefore, and teach (mathēteuō intransitively to become a pupil; transitively to disciple, that is, enroll as scholar) all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 28:19)

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"Go ye therefore, and teach (mathēteuō intransitively to become a pupil; transitively to disciple, that is, enroll as scholar) all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matthew 28:19)

I like your tag line.

Mathetes, Matheteuo. Disciple making.

"Mathetes, when used in the context of following Jesus suggests that the learning is expressed in outward behaviour. The learning is not merely intellectual, yet begins with the intellect and then is demonstrated in a person’s life. The word "mathete" was used in Classical Greek by the philosophers meaning an apprentices. In Jewish culture "mathete" was used in a teacher pupil relationship. The Rabbi would teach the student the Law of God.

Mathete had a much more intimate meaning to Jesus than it did to Pharisees, who also had Mathetes. For Jesus it was multiplication -- and he expected the Body to do the discipling, starting with the 12. We are discipling others to make disciples of Jesus. It's a beautiful thing.