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Aquila, Could You Read This?
Since you don't want to cater to the lowest denominator, don't want bumper sticker theology, and believe we should study, I know this'll be nothing for you.
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Background to the Seventy-Weeks
...................... To understand Daniel’s 70 Weeks, we need to understand God’s unique relationship with the people and land of Israel.
...................... The relationship is 4000 years old and dates back to the time of.. Abraham about 2100 B.C... Abraham lived in the city of Ur ..located in present day Iraq. In Ur, Abraham and his family set out for Canaan, present day Israel... On the way, In the city of Haran, God appeared to Abraham and told him,
1Now the Lord had said to Abram: “Get out of your country,.. From your family.. And from your father’s house, To a land that I will show you....... 2I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you,.. And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” Genesis 12:1-3 (NKJV)
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.. When Abraham arrived in the land at Mt. Moriah, present day Jerusalem. God promised Abraham,..
..“To your descendents I will give this land” Genesis 12:7. (NKJV)
...................... In Canaan (Israel), some time after the birth his son Isaac, in a test of faith, God instructed Abraham to take Isaac to the top of Mt. Moriah and offer him as a sacrifice... At the top of Moriah, as Abraham was about offer Isaac as a sacrifice, the Angel of the Lord intervenes and prevents the sacrifice from taking place. God again declares to Abraham.
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.................... 17“blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18“In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” Genesis 22:17-18 (NKJV)
...................... God established a covenant relationship with Abraham and his descendants. ..This “Abrahamic Covenant”.. would later, be passed to Isaac and his son, Jacob... Before Abraham died about 20 miles to the south of Jerusalem in the city of Hebron, Abraham purchased a burial site, the cave of Machpellah, from the Hittites. To this very day lies the bodies of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob along with their wives, Sarah, Rebecca and Leah... Apart from Jerusalem, this site known as the “Tomb of the Patriarch’s”.. is the most hotly contested site between Jews and Palestinians.
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...... Before being buried in the cave of Machpelah, Jacob would move his ..family to Egypt to escape the famine of the land of Canaan... Joseph, Jacob’s 2nd youngest son, became the most powerful man in Egypt next to pharaoh. ..
...................... Jealous of Jacob’s love for Joseph, his brothers sold him as a slave to Ishmaelites who took him to Egypt... In Egypt, Joseph rose from slave to prime minister by the time he was thirty... Later, Joseph welcomed his brothers and family into the Egypt where they were preserved. The descendents of Joseph and his 11 brothers’ would be known as the tribes of Israel.
...................... Jacob’s.. descendents would grow from the 70 who moved to Egypt ..to over 1 million in the next 400 years. After Jacob died his body was taken to Hebron and buried with his father Isaac and grandfather Abraham.
...................... After 400 years, his descendents were no longer welcomed... Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, viewed the tribes of Israel as a hostile threat to Egyptian survival... Egypt began a systematic plan to destroy the tribes of Israel. By killing the male children, Egypt would assimilate Israel. Jacob’s descendents cried out to the God of Abraham. ..Moses, a Hebrew of the tribe of Levi, raised in Pharaoh’s house, was called by God to lead Israel out of Egypt into the land promised to Abraham, 600 years earlier.
...................... At the hand of Moses God sent plagues on Egypt to free Israel. Finally after the 10th plague, the death of the “first born” in Egypt . Death “Passed over” those who put the blood of a lamb on their door posts whether Egyptian or Israelite. Egypt’s Pharaoh agreed to release the tribes of Jacob. Into the wildness of Sinai, Moses lead the descendents of.. Jacob back to the land of promise where Jacob was buried, through the Sinai desert.
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.... On the exodus journey, Israel rebelled against God. Moses was on Mt. Sinai, receiving the 10 commandments, the law of God. After Moses delayed, returning from the top of the mountain, Aaron his brother made an idol, a golden calf to lead Israel back to Egypt... The rejection of God’s authority, angered God to the point of judgment... Speaking to Moses, God said,
“Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation.” Exodus 32:10 (NKJV)
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.................... Blessing and Curses promised to Israel
........ Only after Moses interceded did God relent. ..But Israel’s rebellion would not end at Sinai. The Lord confirmed his ..covenant relationship with Israel the descendents of Abraham... His covenant with Israel came with promises of blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience (Deut.27-28).
...................... If Israel obeyed they would be blessed above all nations on the earth. But if Israel disobeyed they would be scattered amongst the nations.
64“Then the LORD will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone. 65And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the LORD will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. Deut 28:64,65 (NKJV)
...................... With one voice Israel agreed to the covenant with God on the border of Canaan... But Moses was not to lead Israel into the land.
...................... After Moses died, Joshua led Israel into the promised land as described in the book of Joshua about 1400 B.C... Prophets and judges led the tribes of Israel for the next 400 years. However,.. Israel wanted a king like the other nations... God listened to their demands and Israel was established as a nation under King Saul by the prophet Samuel in 1050 B.C. Saul’s disobedience caused him to be replaced by one of his commanders, David in 1025 B.C.
...................... David from the tribe of Judah, wanted to build a temple for the God of Abraham... God rejected David’s offer, but God.. sent Nathan the prophet to him and established the Davidic Covenant... Through David God would establish a eternal kingdom, throne and king... Through David family line the promised Messiah would come into the world... The Messiah would be a “Son of David”.
12“When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. .. 2 Samuel 7:12,13 (NKJV)
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The Temple and Israel.. as a sign
...................... David’s son, Solomon, built God’s temple on the very spot.. his forefather Abraham was promised the land.
On the top of Mt. Moriah where Abraham’s faith was tested, Solomon constructed the Temple of God. Only on Mt. Moriah,.... God would permit a temple to be built. After its completion, God accepted Solomon Temple and but warned if Israel disobeyed the Temple would be brought to ruins and the people scattered.
19“But if you turn away and forsake My statutes and My commandments which I have set before you….. 20“then I will uproot them from My land which I have given them; and this house which I have sanctified for My name I will cast out of My sight, and will make it a proverb and a byword among all peoples. 21“And as for this house, which is exalted, everyone who passes by it will be astonished and say, ‘Why has the Lord done thus to this land and this house?’ 2 Chronicles 7:19-21 (NKJV)
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...................... After Solomon’s death the kingdom of Israel was divided into two kingdoms. The northern kingdom, Israel, was made up of 10 tribes and the Southern kingdom, Judah, composed.. the tribes Judah and Benjamin. ..
........ The sins of Israel and Judah were the same the same, the people rejected the God of Abraham and turned to idolatry. They began to worship the god’s of the neighboring nations. They followed Baal and Ashtorah of the Canaanites, Molech of the Ammonites, Chemosh of the Moabites and ..Tammuz of the Phoenicians.
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Prophets sent to warn both , Judah and Israel of the coming judgments included Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea and Ezekiel. ..The prophets were rejected, mocked, and killed. ..Isaiah was sawed in two during the rein of Manasseh... Israel was judged first , in 722 B.C, the Assyrian kingdom defeated Israel and carried.. Israel into captivity...
.............................. ..Judah was sparred an Assyrian victory during Hezekiah’s reign... In 690 B.C., the armies of Sennecherib, king of Assyria surrounded Jerusalem but retreated after 185,000 troops died outside the walls of Jerusalem..... Assyrian writers confirm the retreat of Assyrian forces from Jerusalem. However, 90 years later, Judah.. was no better then Israel in apostasy.
.............................. God, proving His case, for judgment takes Ezekiel into Solomon’s Temple, showing him the idolatry of the priests and leaders of Judah... Idols at the gate of the altar, on the walls and the leaders of Israel worshipping them. ..Women cried for the god Tammuz, and many worshipped the sun. The Lord asked Ezekiel,
17And He said to me, “Have you seen this, O son of man? Is it a trivial thing to the house of Judah to commit the abominations which they commit here? Ezekiel 8:17 (NKJV)
........ The punishment.. was destruction of the Temple and captivity in Babylon, ..fulfilling ..the.. curses of the covenant ..promised in Sinai and to Solomon. ( Deuteronomy 28:64, 2 Chronicles 7:19-21 to be scattered in the earth).
The Captivity of Judah
.......... Judah was judged and the promises fulfilled... The city of Jerusalem, was conquered by the armies of Babylon in 605 B.C... Captives were taken to Babylon, a young noble named Daniel was included in the captivity, Jerusalem submitted to Babylon.
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Eight years later, Judah rebelled against Babylon, in 597 B.C... Babylon again conquered the city taking more hostages and installing a new king... Finally, after a third revolt in 586 B.C, Babylon destroyed the city of Jerusalem, the walls and Solomon’s Temple... Most were killed, some taken captive and the poorest of the people were left to take care of the land... Jeremiah’s book Lamentations documents the pain of this event. ..
........ Jerusalem was left a barren unprotected city with no temple and no walls. In 586 B.C., Daniel was a captive in Babylon for 19 years. ..During.. his captivity, he became prime minister under Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon. After Nebuchadnezzar’s death, succeeding rulers forgot about Daniel, till Babylon’s defeat.
.............................. .. Then in the year 539 B.C., 67 years after Daniel was taken captive, the Persian-Median Empire under Darius the Mede and Cyrus the Persian conquered the kingdom of Babylon, Daniel was appointed prime minister under the in the Persian Empire ( Daniel 6)... The people of Judah had now been captive almost 70 years... Daniel knew the time of captivity was limited to 70 years as foretold by Jeremiah... ( Jeremiah 25:11-12)
..2in the first year of his reign I, Daniel, understood by the books the number of the years specified by the word of the Lord through Jeremiah the prophet, that He would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. Daniel 9:2 (NKJV)
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.............................. ....Intercession of Daniel
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Daniel was 82 to 90 years old at.. this point... He was taken captive as a young man and he remained under the Babylonian and Persian kingdoms for almost 70 years. Time was at hand for the return of his people... Daniel took the role of intercessor for Israel and the Temple.....
Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God Daniel 9:20
.............................. Answering Daniel's prayer, the Lord commanded the angel Gabriel to show Daniel his plan for the world and the role Israel would play. ..Israel and Jerusalem would serve.. the role as “God’s Prophetic Clock”...
21yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. 22And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23“At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision aniel 9:21-23 (NKJV)
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The Prophetic Clock (See Prophetic Clock #1)
24.. “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
Daniel 9:24 (NKJV)
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First we are given the time period involved “Seventy weeks” or 70 periods of 7 equaling 490 ( 70 x 7). The word for week in Hebrew means seven (òáLÚ, shebha)
and could be used for days or years. The same root is used in Leviticus 25:8 regarding the year of Jubilee. The celebration of Jubilee takes place in 50th year after 7-periods of 7-years or 49 years... The 490 represents years and not days. ........ Gabriel tells Daniel, 490 years are “Determined for your people”, Israel and “Your holy city”, Jerusalem... This sets the.. parameters around this clock... The time period is 490 years and the years revolve around Daniel’s people Israel/Jews and his holy city, Jerusalem... Within these parameters seven events will take place:
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1... To finish the transgression,
2... To make an end of.... sins,
3... To make reconciliation for iniquity,
4... To bring in everlasting righteousness,
5... To seal up vision
6... and prophecy,
7... To anoint the Most Holy.
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.............................. Transgression and sin are as real today as they were in Daniel’s day... War, murder and robbery are a staple of everyday life. Yet, we read within ..490 years there will be “An end of sins”, and the arrival of “Everlasting righteousness”... More than 490 years have passed since Daniel penned these words 2500 years ago. Why have they not been fulfilled? ..
.............................. The seven events of Daniel 9:24 speak of a future time when the Messiah will reign on Earth... Each of the events listed by Gabriel speak specifically to the Messianic era... Many mistakenly apply this prophecy.. to the world, when Gabriel told Daniel it involved his people and his city... The Jews and Jerusalem are God’s sign to the nations. By observing Jerusalem and the Jewish people, we can see understand God’s clock.
.............................. The 490 years were “cut” or determined on Jerusalem and the Jewish people... The total time period,490-years, is cut (the Hebrew word for determine #rx Charats means
means to cut) on Jerusalem and the Jewish people... At the completion of the Prophetic Clock, the seven events will be completed on the Jews and Jerusalem, and by proxy to the rest of the world, but Jerusalem and the Jews are the key to understanding the time. By the completion of the 490-year period these events will be completed on Jerusalem and the Jewish people.
How is the time the cut or determined?
25.. “Know therefore and understand,.. That from the going forth of the command.. To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince,.. There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. Daniel 9:25 (NKJV)
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.............................. Daniel was informed in the 24th verse that 490 years were divided on his people and city... In the Daniel 9:25 we are given a breakdown of this division in time... The Prophetic –Clock.. was established a 490-year time-period. Composed of 70 units of seven years totaling 490-years... Within this 490-years are specific points of division (Determined) regarding specific events... These events allow us to establish or qualify the time involved.
.............................. The angel Gabriel admonishes the reader to “Know therefore and understand”. ..What must the reader understand?.. The reader must understand how the time is divided. Where the divisions in take place.
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..The Clocks Starting point
.............................. First, ..there is a starting point to the 490-year clock..... Daniel's original prayer was for the restoration of Jerusalem.
Remember, Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed by the Babylonians in 586 B.C. Jerusalem was left a barren un-walled city, a shadow of its former self... Daniel’s prayer was for restoration of the city and Temple in accordance to Jeremiah’s words.
.............................. ..Gabriel came to answer his prayer regarding his people and Jerusalem. ..Gabriel first informs Daniel a 490-year period is established on his people and his city ( Daniel 9:24)... Then he informs Daniel, when the period will start. We read “from the going forth of the command.. to restore and build Jerusalem”...
.............................. The command to rebuild.. Jerusalem, qualifies the.. Prophetic clock’s starting point. Later in the verse Gabriel gives more specifics about the command to restore the city of Jerusalem... The command according to Gabriel is qualified by three items.
• The Street
• The Wall
• Troublesome times
..“ the street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
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These qualifiers are important, because they separate two other commands involving the rebuilding of the Temple but not the rebuilding of the city...
1. Cyrus, the king of Persia, commands the Temple to be rebuilt and allows the Jews to return in 539 B.C. ( Ezra 1:1-11).
2... Artaxerxes, king of Persia, gives Ezra the priest a letter.. permitting and encouraging Temple worship and sacrifice at Mt. Moriah, but not the rebuilding of the city and its walls in 458 B.C. ( Ezra 7:11-26)
.............................. Daniel’s prayer took place in the first year of Darius, son of Xerxes, about 539-538 B.C... Jerusalem was in ruins, without walls and a Temple, a shadow of it’s former glory... The clock begins with the command regarding Jerusalem’s reconstruction. ..Specifically, the walls and the street, the command actually comes 93 years later... In the book of Nehemiah we have a record of the command... Nehemiah was the cup bearer to the Persian king, Artaxerxes... Nehemiah shared Daniel’s concern regarding the state of Jerusalem, 94 years after Daniel’s prayer..... His prayer was for the restoration of his people’s city.
.............................. The Temple was rebuilt in 516 B.C., but the Jews had little incentive to return to an un-walled city with little protection... Nehemiah prayed for the city to be restored. ......
.............................. The king, seeing Nehemiah’s sadness, asked him why he looked sad?.. Nehemiah told him, and Artaxerxes granted his request and gave Nehemiah ( Nehemiah 2:1-8) orders to rebuild the city gates and walls.
1And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes, when wine was before him,…..I said to the king, “If it pleases the king, and if your servant has found favor in your sight, I ask that you send me to Judah, to the city of my fathers’ tombs, that I may rebuild it…..and a letter to Asaph the keeper of the king’s forest, that he must give me timber to make beams for the gates of the citadel which pertains to the temple, for the city wall,.... Nehemiah 2:1,5,8
.............................. The order was given in March/April ..444 B.C. The reign of Artaxerexes began in 464 B.C. his twentieth year would have bee 444 B.C... The month of Nisan is the first year of the Jewish Calendar, equivalent to March/April.
..God’s clock began to tick with the command by the king of Persia.
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Daniel Timeline #1.
..Timeline to Messiah the Prince
.... With the starting point established at “the going forth of the command” the next division in time is, “Until Messiah the Prince, ..”. ..Gabriel informs Daniel of the time determined . The clock starts with the command and continues Until Messiah the Prince...
.... The word Messiah means anointed or chosen and applies to kings, priests and prophets... But ultimately the word applied to the coming of the an eternal-King who would reign on David’s throne... ( 2 Samuel 7:13, Isaiah 9:7, Daniel 7:14, Jeremiah 23:5) Gabriel identifies this person as Messiah the Prince or ruler... The Hebrew word for prince is dygn Nagiyd and means ruler, leader, captain or prince............. .................................................. ...... Gabriel divides the first segment (483-years), from.. the command to Messiah the prince, into two divisions, a 7-week segment (7x7=49 years) and a 62-week (62x7=434-years).. segment totaling 483-years. (See Prophetic Clock #2 ).............. .................................................. ..............
...... ..“there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks”
.............................. ....The clock starts with the command and continues for 483 years till Messiah the Prince.
.............................. This 483-year period is divided but continuous. The seven-week or 49 year period covers the reconstruction of Jerusalem in troublous times... This construction period began with the command in Nehemiah 2:8, March 444 B.C. and continued for the next 49 years. Details of the troublous times are covered from Nehemiah 2 to 7. From this point to Messiah the Prince would be another 434 years. This is the
.. “Even in troublesome times” ..referred to in Daniel 9:25 See Daniel Timeline ..#2.
.. ......The second period, "Until Messiah the Prince" is another 434 years after the work by Nehemiah and his successors is complete... Who is this Messiah the Prince or anointed ruler?.. Could it be any king or anointed ruler in Judah?.. No, first, this Messiah must fit into the time line... This means the Messiah would have to exist and be cut off at the end of 69 weeks or 483 years, starting ..from the commandment given in 444 BC. ..See Daniel Timeline #3.
.. Lunar or Solar Calendar?
If we start at March 444 B.C. and subtract 483 years.. we arrive at 39 AD... However, there is a problem that must first be addressed... ..A year.. measured in ..Daniel’s day was Lunar not Solar... Today, we use the Sun to determine the length of a year, the Jews used the moon. Hence, the origin of the word, “Month” comes from moon, (New Moon). The length of a Lunar year was different from Solar... We currently use the Gregorian calendar which is determined on a solar basis. A solar-year is the number of days it takes the earth to revolve around the Sun and return to the same location. ..
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The length of a year in terms of biblical accounting is different then the present Gregorian system. The biblical system was lunar while the Gregorian is Solar. Hence a month was 29 days and 30 days every other month, with adjustments every five to six years by adding a non-biblical extra month. We can observe from Genesis 7-8 that the flood continued for 5 months or 150 days, a month was 30 days... A day was 24 hours in Daniel’s day as in our day... By using days, instead of years, we can reconcile the two methods.
(See Reconciliation of Time Chart)
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1. We know there are 360 days to a biblical year.
.......... 360 x 483=173,880 days
2. There are 365.242 days to a year in our calendar.....................
3. If we divide our days 365.242 days into 173,880 days we.. have 476 years and 24 days ...
4. ..Subtract 476 years from 444 BC we.. arrive at 33 AD and add 24 days (year 0 being 1)..
The command was given in the month Nissan. Nissan corresponds with March/April in our calendar. Therefore, 69 weeks ends on 24th day of Nissan or about ..March 29th 33 AD.
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.. Once these years are reconciled to our calendar, we find .."Messiah the Prince" was cut off or killed in 33 AD... Who died or was cut off in 33 AD and claimed to be Messiah and ruler of Israel? Examining the biblical prophecies about Messiah we can only draw one conclusion... The “Messiah the Prince" cut off was none other then Jesus of Nazareth who claimed to be Messiah or Christ (Greek word for Messiah). ..But why would Messiah die or be killed? Is the Messiah being cut off or killed supported by other scriptures?
Messiah the Prince cutoff
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:26
(See Daniel Timeline #3)
.............................. Gabriel informs Daniel,.. following the.. 62-week or 434-year division, Messiah shall be cut-off... ..The Hebrew word for Cut off is ..trk Karath ..and means to “Cut down or cut off”... Gabriel informs Daniel, Messiah the ruler will be killed after the 434-year segment... Is the concept of Messiah being killed consistent with scripture?
The two pictures of Messiah
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.............................. Gabriel explains to Daniel the Messiah will be killed or cut off, but not be for himself... Gabriel is informing Daniel about the dual nature of this Messiah... He tells Daniel, the Messiah will be a Prince, but that he will also die, but not for Himself... This dual nature of Messiah as King and Suffering Servant is clearly developed in Isaiah 52:13 to 53:12 written 700 years before the birth of Jesus.
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13.. Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently; He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high.14 ..Just as many were astonished at you, So His visage was marred more than any man, And His form more than the sons of men;15.. So shall He sprinkle many nations. Kings shall shut their mouths at Him; For what had not been told them they shall see, And what they had not heard they shall consider.
Isaiah 52:13-15 (NKJV)
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.............................. Isaiah describes God’s.. servant who will be exalted and be very high, but before this is realized He will be a man, ....of the sons of men who will suffer, be marred... This Servant will be.. exalted over the (Gentiles) nations and kings... The will realize the “True” nature of this servant.
.............................. This picture of Messiah the Prince who is cut off (killed) is in agreement with Isaiah picture of the Servant who will be exalted after being humiliated.
.............................. Isaiah continues to explain the reason for the death of this Servant, who will be exalted and be very high.But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed.He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken
Isaiah 53:5,8
.............................. Isaiah tells us, the Servant who will be exalted, died for our transgressions and iniquities. He was cut off for the transgressions of “My People”... In Daniel 9:26, Gabriel informs Daniel Messiah the Prince, will be cut off, but not for himself. The Servant of Isaiah and Messiah the Prince of Daniel are one and the same person, Jesus Christ of Nazareth who died for the sins of mankind.
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..What is Messiah’s nature?
............................ From.. Daniel and Isaiah we see the coming Messiah will be a man, a descendent of the sons of men ( Isaiah 52:14, Daniel 9:26). ....Is Messiah more then just a man? In Zechariah 12:10, written about 520 B.C, we read about one who rescues Israel and Judah from the armies of the world... We read, “then they will look on Me whom they pierced” . The people living in Jerusalem will begin to weep and cry as if they are weeping for their firstborn. ..From the beginning of the 12th chapter, The Lord is speaking through Zechariah first person. Then in verse Zechariah 12:10, the Lord says to Israel, they will look on Me whom they pierced..... When was God pierced by the inhabitants of Jerusalem?
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10“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn
Zechariah 12:10 (NKJV)
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Isaiah confirms this dual nature of Messiah... In Isaiah 9:6-7, We are told Messiah will be of human descent “A Child is born”. He will be also be God because he is identified as , “Mighty God, Everlasting Father”. We know this is Messiah because he sits on the “Throne of David” and his kingdom is “Even forever”
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6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even foreverThe zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Isaiah 9:6-7 (NKJV)
.............................. Messiah the Prince of Daniel 9:25-26 is both the Servant who would suffer for the sins of man ( Isaiah 53), and.. Prince of Peace who will one day rule over man as King and God. ( Isaiah 9:6-7).. What we see are the dual natures of Messiah presented in scripture.
.............................. God confirms the identity of this Messiah by telling us the exact day and year he would be killed over years before his birth and what will follow his death.
.............................. The Seventy-Weeks of Daniel, establishes and locks in the period of time by telling us after Messiah is cut off Jerusalem and the Temple will be destroyed... Establishing a specific date of 70 A.D., we can therefore know Messiah the Prince came prior to the destruction of the Temple and the city in 70 A.D.
..After Messiah is cut off
..“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:26 (NKJV)
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.... ..What follows the death of Messiah the Prince? Daniel is told following the death of Messiah, Jerusalem and the Temple will be destroyed. From Daniel’s perspective, we are viewing the (future) destruction of Jerusalem after the restoration... This destruction will occur by "the people of the prince who is to come"..... Daniel, at this point, is praying for the restoration of Jerusalem. The city was destroyed by the Babylonians when he, Daniel, was in Babylon in 586 B.C... The angel Gabriel is informing Daniel, the city of Jerusalem will be destroyed again after it is rebuilt by the commandment given by Artaxerxes. ( Daniel 9:25) ..
.............................. In A.D. 70, ..the roman general Titus, son of the Emperor Vespasian, laid siege to Jerusalem and destroyed the city and the Temple. Today in the city of Rome, the Arch of Titus stands as a nearly 2000 year old monument to the victory of the Roman armies in Jerusalem... Engraved on the arch are the treasures taken from Jerusalem including a sculpture of the gold Menorah taken from the 2nd Temple.
...... Following, " Messiah shall be cut off" which occurred in 33 AD, we read, “The people” of a future prince would destroy the city and Temple. History verifies what happened next. The Jewish Temple was literally taken apart stone by stone as the Roman army searched for melted gold from the burned temple. Over one million Jews were killed in A.D. 70 by the Rome... Josephus, a Jewish general and Roman captive was an eye witness to the events and reported them in his book, The Jewish Wars.
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11-09-2010, 11:21 PM
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Re: Aquila, Could You Read This?
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... Once these years are reconciled to our calendar, we find .."Messiah the Prince" was cut off or killed in 33 AD...
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Interesting that you have the death of Jesus in 33 AD.
Usually the date 30 AD is used for His death.
Some use 32 AD for His death to make it fit their chronology.
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11-10-2010, 07:17 AM
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Re: Aquila, Could You Read This?
LOL
You guys are wonderful!
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11-10-2010, 10:24 AM
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You guys are wonderful!
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I'm disappointed in you, you shallow, non-studious, sound-bite theologian, you. Take some time and get SERIOUS about God's Word!! I'm wanting to have a meaningful discussion with someone who's actually done their homework, but you're obviously not the guy. Maybe someone on this forum will step up to the plate and care about the deep things of the bible!!!
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11-10-2010, 11:09 AM
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I'm disappointed in you, you shallow, non-studious, sound-bite theologian, you. Take some time and get SERIOUS about God's Word!! I'm wanting to have a meaningful discussion with someone who's actually done their homework, but you're obviously not the guy. Maybe someone on this forum will step up to the plate and care about the deep things of the bible!!!
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Okay, okay, I get it. lol
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