Command or commandments?

[Godsdrummer]

In my life I and we always used the passages of John 15:10, John 14:15 and 14:21 Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
To preach that we must obey all the rules dictated in the bible to please God even those things we saw as standards whether they were miss translations or not. I just realized something today as I checked the passages I found that to use this idea is to take scripture out of context and make it say something it does not say.

First the same word translated for commandment and commandments is the same word and it is a singular not plural word in order for it to be plural there must be prepositions or adjetives describing multiple commandments as in Matt 22:40.

Second using this passage to preach other so called commandments is improper diving of scripture. Jesus only speaks of one commandment in these passages and that is to love one another as God loved us.

So the question I ask is how can you take this passage to try and make someone feel guilty of not keeping mans traditions and rules ie standards of holiness, even to preach baptism when Jesus did not speak of any of these things in this passage. This is kin to taking one scripture and another from two or several different places to preach our own ideas.

An example is taking Deut. 22:5 and preaching that a women cannot wear pants because one thinks it is mens apparel. Ignoring the fact that all men and women wore robes in those days, that had little difference in appearance one from the other.

Or teaching it is sin to drink wine based on a few scriptures that speak of drinking till one becomes drunk, ignoring many other passages that speak of drinking wine. And further misunderstanding the fact that all wine or juice of that day was fermented. As fermentation was the only way they could cleanse the impurities out of the grape juice.

[Aquila]

I've always viewed it as the Ten Commandments, which hang upon two laws, love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself.

[Sam]

It is my opinion that if we love the Lord, others, and our selves we are fulfilling the Law. This is based on how I understand the following:
Romans 13:8-10
Galatians 5:13-14
Matthew 22:13-14
Mark 12:28-34
1 John 3:18-24

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've always viewed it as the Ten Commandments, which hang upon two laws, love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself.

Originally Posted by Sam

It is my opinion that if we love the Lord, others, and our selves we are fulfilling the Law. This is based on how I understand the following:
Romans 13:8-10
Galatians 5:13-14
Matthew 22:13-14
Mark 12:28-34
1 John 3:18-24

The point being that Jesus only speaks of one commandment here that we love one another as God loved. This being the commmandment Jesus gives not two or three or more just just one.

[Rev.Richmond]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

The point being that Jesus only speaks of one commandment here that we love one another as God loved. This being the commmandment Jesus gives not two or three or more just just one.

Don't just stop there.....keep going on into perfection. It's not fair to you if you discard everything else that is clearly commanded by either Jesus or the apostles, whome Jesus personally taught and gave understanding to.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Rev.Richmond

Don't just stop there.....keep going on into perfection. It's not fair to you if you discard everything else that is clearly commanded by either Jesus or the apostles, whome Jesus personally taught and gave understanding to.

The ONLY commandments that one should follow is from Jesus. The Apostles teachings are great for righteous living, but they are not commandments.

[Rev.Richmond]

Eph 4:11-14 KJV - [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; WHY[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: I, for one, WANT to be perfect. I will listen.[13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: I desire to be a true Christian. I will let God work on me through these men, as is His will.[14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; If we treat so much of the Bible that came by the hand of apostles just as a merely good advice, we will reflect v14.

2Pe 1:21 KJV - [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Here, Paul was addressing Timothy, a young minister and instructed him like this:1Ti 4:11 KJV - [11] These things command and teach.

1Cr 7:6 KJV - [6] But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
Here Paul makes a differentiation between his wise advice and the commandment of the spirit as it moved on him to write what would become part of the Bible.

Jhn 17 [6] I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. [7] Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. [8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. ... [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. ... [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. ... [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. ... [20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Rev.Richmond

Eph 4:11-14 KJV - [11] And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; WHY[12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: I, for one, WANT to be perfect. I will listen.[13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: I desire to be a true Christian. I will let God work on me through these men, as is His will.[14] That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; If we treat so much of the Bible that came by the hand of apostles just as a merely good advice, we will reflect v14.

2Pe 1:21 KJV - [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Here, Paul was addressing Timothy, a young minister and instructed him like this:1Ti 4:11 KJV - [11] These things command and teach.

1Cr 7:6 KJV - [6] But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
Here Paul makes a differentiation between his wise advice and the commandment of the spirit as it moved on him to write what would become part of the Bible.

Jhn 17 [6] I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. [7] Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. [8] For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. ... [12] While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. ... [14] I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. ... [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. ... [20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

All of this is good practices but not commandments. Even where you bolded "command" actually mean to command the teaching from memory as in to remember it not literally command someone to do something. Command=remember.

[Rev.Richmond]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

All of this is good practices but not commandments. Even where you bolded "command" actually mean to command the teaching from memory as in to remember it not literally command someone to do something. Command=remember.

That's not what Strong's Concordance says: paraggellō
verb
1) to transmit a message along from one to another, to declare, announce

2) to command, order, charge
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Also, I think its a shame to toss out God's word by excuse.
2Ti 3:16-17 KJV - [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

How can one get around this?? And WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO ANYWAY? The Spirit of God would not direct someone to try to find loopholes in the scripture. That means that one is not led of the spirit. That only leaves one other leader: the flesh, our carnality.
Rom 8:5-8 KJV - [5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. [8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
The carnal mind refuses to submit to the law of God.
1Cr 2:14 KJV - [14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
No one can even begin to have a clear understanding of the things of God, includeing scriputures, until they receive the HolyGhost.

Again, please take a minuit to disect these scriptures. I only hunger for the whole council of God and do not lean nor give time to the traditions of men or our logic; for His way are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts.

[Rev.Richmond]

If you wish to come back and simply state just your opinion, please don't. However if you wish to investigate and disect the scriptures that I presented, please do.

Hope your night is going better than mine: I worked 16 hrs, slept about 6 and now get to work for 10 more. YES! lol