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Old 05-02-2007, 09:47 AM
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Hell's Best Kept Secret? Ray Comfort

Ok I know he's Baptist or least that's my impression.

But this guy does have a revelation of the importance of repentance in the conversion process.

Listening to his series, I have both the book and his cd's/dvd, I can't believe that church has made the felt needs/friendship evangelism method the most primary way to reach sinners. Basically come to Jesus and your life will be better, happy and wonderful. Yes, God does bless us when we are apart of the kingdom. The door still remains repentance.

I agree with him in his observation that the church (larger corporate as we know it here in the states) has stopped or not used the Biblical facts that sinners are sinners and they better understand that before the really appreciate the grace of God.

I thought his teaching on false conversions was exceptional.

Any other observations thoughts about this his teaching from some of you in the know?
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Old 05-02-2007, 09:49 AM
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I agree, generally, with his evangelistic emphasis but disagree with his apologetic philosophy. He assumes the intellectual autonomy of man.
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Old 05-02-2007, 10:08 AM
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I agree, generally, with his evangelistic emphasis but disagree with his apologetic philosophy. He assumes the intellectual autonomy of man.
I think I know where you are going, but care to elaborate?
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He does spend a lot of time and effort in combatting the arguments that sinners and self-professed atheists might present when being witnessed to ...
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I think I know where you are going, but care to elaborate?
You know I'm a presuppositionalist and when RC presents 'proofs' for the sinful man to interpret I disagree strongly!!!!
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You know I'm a presuppositionalist and when RC presents 'proofs' for the sinful man to interpret I disagree strongly!!!!
You know your aruguement doesn't agree with scripture, even the unrighteous have a conscience that will accuse them.
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You know your aruguement doesn't agree with scripture, even the unrighteous have a conscience that will accuse them.
Try this again and slowly for the ignorant(me). How does my position conflict with Scripture? If man is allowed his autonomous position, as the traditional 'proofs' allow, it seems to fly in the face of what Paul did in Acts 17 where He declared the truth of the Gospel to the Athenians. He didn't use the cosmological, teleological, etc arguments for the existence of a generic god but he declared THE God of Scripture.

Ray Comfort has stated that he can 'prove' God's existence without ever using the Bible. He is philosophically very naive as any good philosophy prof. could show him and Biblically he dead wrong on this point. (apologetics)
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Ok I know he's Baptist or least that's my impression.

But this guy does have a revelation of the importance of repentance in the conversion process.

Listening to his series, I have both the book and his cd's/dvd, I can't believe that church has made the felt needs/friendship evangelism method the most primary way to reach sinners. Basically come to Jesus and your life will be better, happy and wonderful. Yes, God does bless us when we are apart of the kingdom. The door still remains repentance.

I agree with him in his observation that the church (larger corporate as we know it here in the states) has stopped or not used the Biblical facts that sinners are sinners and they better understand that before the really appreciate the grace of God.

I thought his teaching on false conversions was exceptional.

Any other observations thoughts about this his teaching from some of you in the know?
Very good stuff ... I've listened to this POWERFUL MESSAGE ... I'LL POST A LINK LATER W/ THE AUDIO.

He focuses also on evangelizing first w/ the Law, mainly the 10 commandments ... and then w/ the message of Grace ... He believes that the grace message is being trampled on because few really understand their sinful standing before God

He has an awesome website wayofthemaster.com and a TV show, co-hosted w/ Kirk Cameron, that teaches people how to evangelize. He also has an online bible institute that teaches evangelism methods.

I have 2 of his books ... that I am yet to read ...
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Very good stuff ... I've listened to this POWERFUL MESSAGE ... I'LL POST A LINK LATER W/ THE AUDIO.

He focuses also on evangelizing first w/ the Law, mainly the 10 commandments ... and then w/ the message of Grace ... He believes that the grace message is being trampled on because few really understand their sinful standing before God

He has an awesome website wayofthemaster.com and a TV show, co-hosted w/ Kirk Cameron, that teaches people how to evangelize. He also has an online bible institute that teached evangelism methods.

I have 2 of his books ... that I am yet to read ...

I am a product/advocate of combining the gospel with demonstration and confirmation of the word through signs and wonders, but this has brought me back around to using conviction and repentance in its proper place.

As a Pastor he has convicted me about false converts/conversions, needless to say I will be teaching this to our church.
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I am a product/advocate of combining the gospel with demonstration and confirmation of the word through signs and wonders, but this has brought me back around to using conviction and repentance in its proper place.

As a Pastor he has convicted me about false converts/conversions, needless to say I will be teaching this to our church.
His book Way of the Master ... teaches Christ's method in reaching the lost ... conviction and repentance .... are a prevailing theme ....
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