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06-30-2010, 06:02 AM
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Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
Patripassionism is a Christian heresy from the time of the early church. Its adherents believe that God the Father was incarnate and suffered on the cross. This is problematic in the context of the doctrine of the Trinity because the Christian Scriptures record Jesus Christ as speaking to God the Father while he was on the cross. It is also problematic for all those who hold to the impassibility and immutability of the divine, as it implies that God the Father can suffer. Patripassionism began in the third century AD. Patripassionism is also known as Sabellianism (after its founder Sabellius) and modalistic Monarchianism. It was more popular than dynamic Monarchianism.
Sabellius, the founder, was a priest who was excommunicated from the Church by Pope Callixtus I in 220 and lived in Rome. Sabellius made the belief more sophisticated. Sabellius advanced the doctrine of the “economic Trinity” and he opposed the Orthodox doctrine of the “essential Trinity”. Praxeus and Noetus were some major followers who are attributed to saying that God the Father became his own Son. Tertullian was the chief opponent of Patripassionism. Praxeus tried to reconcile the unity of persons by making distinction between Christ the Father and the Son, a mere man. Therefore the Father co-suffers with the human Jesus.
Patripassionism states that there is only one person, instead of three in the Godhead. God reveals himself in three modes, the father as the creator and lawgiver, the Son as the redeemer, and the Holy Spirit as the giver of grace and the regenerator. The word Patripassionism means (patri) Father (pasion) suffers. Patripassionists believe the father was born of the Virgin Mary, lived, and co-suffered with the human Jesus on the cross. Patripassionism states that the Son was the Father in a different mode and that whatever happened to the Son happened to the Father. Sabelliunism denies that there is a trinity and that instead there is one essence, interchangeable as the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, each appearing at different periods of time, not existing together. Scripture used to support this position are passages like John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” and John 14:9, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” Today Oneness Pentecostalism shares the same beliefs as Patripassionism. Sabellianism gains attractiveness from its emphasis on there being one and only one God.
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06-30-2010, 08:11 AM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
I don´t believe God the father suffered on the cross and I am oneness....
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06-30-2010, 12:40 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
I deny patripassionism, but am oneness. God was not made flesh, just manifested in and through it. And Jesus is the person of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. But the SON suffered, not the Father.
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06-30-2010, 12:46 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
SRM, if you deny Jesus is the single person of God, then you are not Oneness, either, you know. Oneness is a term to describe Jesus as God Almighty yet not one of three persons. It is a term contrasting this idea of persons from trinity teaching. It is not oneness to say there is one person of God and also that Jesus is not that one person.
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06-30-2010, 09:22 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
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SRM, if you deny Jesus is the single person of God, then you are not Oneness, either, you know. Oneness is a term to describe Jesus as God Almighty yet not one of three persons. It is a term contrasting this idea of persons from trinity teaching. It is not oneness to say there is one person of God and also that Jesus is not that one person.
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No..I am not Oneness..I believe there is only One God, the Father,He gave His only begotten who was the perfect sinless Son of God born of Mary to die for the sins of the world.Jesus never claimed to be God,yet people try and make Him so..
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06-30-2010, 09:43 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. The religious sect knew the Messiah would be God in human form. Isaiah 9:6 explains it beautifully. The Messiah would be called the Mighty God.
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No..I am not Oneness..I believe there is only One God, the Father,He gave His only begotten who was the perfect sinless Son of God born of Mary to die for the sins of the world.Jesus never claimed to be God,yet people try and make Him so..
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06-30-2010, 10:07 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
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Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. The religious sect knew the Messiah would be God in human form. Isaiah 9:6 explains it beautifully. The Messiah would be called the Mighty God. |
Do you know the difference between "mighty and Almighty"?
Your right,Jesus claimed to be the Son of God.He told us who God is in John 17:3..they might know THEE [Father} the only true God..
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07-09-2010, 09:20 PM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
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Jesus claimed to be the Messiah. The religious sect knew the Messiah would be God in human form. Isaiah 9:6 explains it beautifully. The Messiah would be called the Mighty God. |
yes..Jesus was called the mighty God..but not Almighty God in that verse..huge difference
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07-01-2010, 12:03 AM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
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No..I am not Oneness..I believe there is only One God, the Father,He gave His only begotten who was the perfect sinless Son of God born of Mary to die for the sins of the world.Jesus never claimed to be God,yet people try and make Him so..
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SRM,
Do you believe the all scripture to be inspired by God [66 books] ?
Do you believe that Jesus was speaking to John in Revelation 1:8-18?
Do you discount that Paul plainly and repeatedly referred to Jesus Christ as God several times in the epistles?
If Jesus isn't God, why is it acceptable for him to receive worship, would not all worship of Jesus be in direct violation to the first commandment, and therefore be heresy, blasphemy, and worthy of eternal hell fire?
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07-02-2010, 10:37 AM
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Re: Your not Oneness but rather Patripassionist
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Originally Posted by SRM
No..I am not Oneness..I believe there is only One God, the Father,He gave His only begotten who was the perfect sinless Son of God born of Mary to die for the sins of the world.Jesus never claimed to be God,yet people try and make Him so..
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Glad you know you are not oneness. Some who agree with your teaching think it is oneness.
But Jesus is Almighty God and said so in Rev. 1. Heb 1 also says the Son is God.
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