Angels in the Outfield?

[Socialite]

a very popular upc evangelist recently posted a photo of a young man praying, where he says in the background are "ministering spirits" and "angels." what do you think? any photography people out there? it's a fuzzy picture to really top things off, even the young man in the photo, but what about the alleged appearance of angels caught on camera?

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...&id=1157115410

[pelathais]

I love that "very popular upc evangelist" ... but I can't pass judgment on a photo of that quality. Maybe so, maybe not quite. Dunno.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I love that "very popular upc evangelist" ... but I can't pass judgment on a photo of that quality. Maybe so, maybe not quite. Dunno.

Hmm. What do you think about catching supernatural beings on camera? Possible? What is visible in the spiritual is not visible for all?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Hmm. What do you think about catching supernatural beings on camera? Possible? What is visible in the spiritual is not visible for all?

Well, is we were to say that any number of angels short of infinity could dance on the head of a pin then it would mean that the angels possessed some sort of material substance in their being and were not entirely "supernatural."

And yet, the "supernatural beings" described in Scripture would often interact with the material world as though they had a material substance to interact with. The angel rolled the stone and then "sat" upon the stone at Christ's tomb. Should we expect to find linen fibers on that stone upon a microscopic examination?

The "men" who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18, actually ate food with him. I would conclude from these and other passages that "angels" can and would leave behind some sort of "evidence" of their passing.

It's just that human history (here we go again! history!) is replete with so many examples of scams and frauds - as well as countless cases where innocent people were simply mistaken about what they thought they had either seen or about the nature of the evidence they had collected.

I can only testify of what I have I seen and heard. But you would think I'm a nut if I testified about everything I thought that I had seen and heard. So, like Mary of old; I will ponder these wonders in my heart.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Well, is we were to say that any number of angels short of infinity could dance on the head of a pin then it would mean that the angels possessed some sort of material substance in their being and were not entirely "supernatural."

And yet, the "supernatural beings" described in Scripture would often interact with the material world as though they had a material substance to interact with. The angel rolled the stone and then "sat" upon the stone at Christ's tomb. Should we expect to find linen fibers on that stone upon a microscopic examination?

The "men" who appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18, actually ate food with him. I would conclude from these and other passages that "angels" can and would leave behind some sort of "evidence" of their passing.

It's just that human history (here we go again! history!) is replete with so many examples of scams and frauds - as well as countless cases where innocent people were simply mistaken about what they thought they had either seen or about the nature of the evidence they had collected.

I can only testify of what I have I seen and heard. But you would think I'm a nut if I testified about everything I thought that I had seen and heard. So, like Mary of old; I will ponder these wonders in my heart.

Good points.

Of course those in scripture that saw angels were intentionally allowed to see them. Do we have examples of those who found evidence?

Your arguments concerning the physical evidence certainly sound convincing. Would they have a thumbprint? DNA? Are they theophanies? Are they "images" of humankind, or are these angels flesh incarnate?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I love that "very popular upc evangelist" ... but I can't pass judgment on a photo of that quality. Maybe so, maybe not quite. Dunno.

It looks like a roman pontiff

[Dedicated Mind]

nonsense

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

nonsense

Dude! C'mon. At least try and keep an open mind here?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Dude! C'mon. At least try and keep an open mind here?

It's hard, Pel.

I mean, why would the angel barely be visible? Why not brilliant? If they aren't wanting to be seen, how would they? If they are, then wouldn't it be obvious. Angel chasers syndrome has scarred us all. Why are these photos always grainy shots that have a thousand development reasons why shadows can appear to be things they aren't (like clouds)?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

It's hard, Pel.

I mean, why would the angel barely be visible? Why not brilliant? If they aren't wanting to be seen, how would they? If they are, then wouldn't it be obvious. Angel chasers syndrome has scarred us all. Why are these photos always grainy shots that have a thousand development reasons why shadows can appear to be things they aren't (like clouds)?

I think that sort of speaks to the essence of faith. When we are struggling in our lives at times it's important to be able to see some sort of "goal" or end in sight. The frightening reality is that if we could see clearly, much of what we would see is more struggle, heart ache and pain.

But when we wince beneath our burden; when the sweat mingles with our tears and causes our eyes to burn and our vision to blur - we may at times actually see angels.