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Old 05-03-2010, 11:15 AM
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WEC Downsizing Continues: HMD Cuts?

With one WEC insider decribing headquarters as "a morgue" these days .... due to layoffs and entire departments, like Media Missions, being scrapped ...

That the org is hurting financially can no longer be denied.

It now appears that the Home Missions Division has started to make some major cutbacks as well.

Many of HMD's sub departments seem to have been told to make serious cuts in their budgets, once again.

Spanish Evangelism Ministries, for example, which held an annual conference every year from 1978 to 2010, will move to a bi-annual conference (every two years).

Lack of attendance in recent years, personal finances, and costs of venues being cited as the major reason for this move. In lieu, only Spanish ministers will meet on off years.

Personally, it saddens me that this once thriving department has been forced to take on this format. Albeit, the Youth Division does this as well.

I was five years old when the first annual Spanish conference happened in the Bronx, New York in 1978 when it was originally organized by John Hopkins.

At one time, it appeared that SEM would become its own distinct division. However, it is starting to look like this is further from reality today than it was when I almost took a job as an administrative assistive for SEM, five years ago.

(For more on SEM go to http://spanishevangelism.net)

My dad who served on the SEM board would be disappointed but not suprised.

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Old 05-03-2010, 11:28 AM
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Re: WEC Downsizing Continues: HMD Cuts?

I was discussing this with one of my UPC pastor uncles.

Its actually deeper than that. He watches copies of the Forward magazine to see whos joined and whos left.

He has noticed over the last few years there are many experienced pastors and mid sized churches who are pulling out without enough churches being planted... and even those that are don't have the ability to do "full participation" as they say in most districts by supporting each and every program on some level.

In most companies when they cut the salespeople its usually "the sign" the company is going down.

Home Missions Division is really what creates the financial base of the UPCI by starting new works.

Foreign Missions Division is the largest outflow from the churches to the FMD to the missionaries by far.

It's not a good thing to eat your seed before its planted in future years.

If I were to look at it from a straight money viewpoint I'd rather send home missions planters on deputation rather than the foreign missionaries since it will have a better return over a 10 year period... many countries can already be spun off as national UPCI's with their own general superintendent (like the Phillipines.. who really dont need more white missionaries).
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:48 AM
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I was discussing this with one of my UPC pastor uncles.

Its actually deeper than that. He watches copies of the Forward magazine to see whos joined and whos left.

He has noticed over the last few years there are many experienced pastors and mid sized churches who are pulling out without enough churches being planted... and even those that are don't have the ability to do "full participation" as they say in most districts by supporting each and every program on some level.

In most companies when they cut the salespeople its usually "the sign" the company is going down.

Home Missions Division is really what creates the financial base of the UPCI by starting new works.

Foreign Missions Division is the largest outflow from the churches to the FMD to the missionaries by far.

It's not a good thing to eat your seed before its planted in future years.

If I were to look at it from a straight money viewpoint I'd rather send home missions planters on deputation rather than the foreign missionaries since it will have a better return over a 10 year period... many countries can already be spun off as national UPCI's with their own general superintendent (like the Phillipines.. who really dont need more white missionaries).
This is the rub right here! Your uncle has nailed it .... the spin doctors would have us believe that the loss of established churches in the last few schisms from Westberg to WWPF is no big deal because XXXX number of new ministers have signed on .... but it does not factor the experience, gravitas, maturity and financial support of those who have left.

Moreover, looking at a net growth of maybe 700-to 900 in the last decade is not explosive growth or the path to doubling or a global impact.

PPH also helped in funding some of these divisions.
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Old 05-03-2010, 12:05 PM
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Re: WEC Downsizing Continues: HMD Cuts?

My mom reminded me yesterday of a hilarious story about the night of the first SEM conference in 1978 ...

Many males at the age of 5 or 6 many times have an undescended testicle ... Yours truly was counted among them ....

Well ... after some treatement and some prayer ... as we were getting ready at the house for the conference service ... mine finally descended!!!!

Mom says that the family was on the way out the door ... and I stopped and ran upstairs. After a brief wait, she followed behind me to find me kneeling by my bed ... and praying " Thank you Jesus for dropping my testicle!".
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My mom reminded me yesterday of a hilarious story about the night of the first SEM conference in 1978 ...

Many males at the age of 5 or 6 many times have an undescended testicle ... Yours truly was counted among them ....

Well ... after some treatement and some prayer ... as we were getting ready at the house for the conference service ... mine finally descended!!!!

Mom says that the family was on the way out the door ... and I stopped and ran upstairs. After a brief wait, she followed behind me to find me kneeling by my bed ... and praying " Thank you Jesus for dropping my testicle!".


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My mom reminded me yesterday of a hilarious story about the night of the first SEM conference in 1978 ...

Many males at the age of 5 or 6 many times have an undescended testicle ... Yours truly was counted among them ....

Well ... after some treatement and some prayer ... as we were getting ready at the house for the conference service ... mine finally descended!!!!

Mom says that the family was on the way out the door ... and I stopped and ran upstairs. After a brief wait, she followed behind me to find me kneeling by my bed ... and praying " Thank you Jesus for dropping my testicle!".
Im thrilled for you DA !
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Old 05-03-2010, 03:54 PM
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Re: WEC Downsizing Continues: HMD Cuts?

Dan, Read these sermon notes by Dan Scott titled, "What is a Church?"

What is a Church?

You will see where it is germane to this thread.

He talks about the difference between two definitions of the church - spiritual and corporate. Enjoy!
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Old 05-03-2010, 05:20 PM
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Re: WEC Downsizing Continues: HMD Cuts?

Will take a look at it when I get home.
I have a bunch of respect for Dan's dad. He was a friend of my dad.

Remember hanging out with his brother at Spanish camp when I was a child.
Senior served as SEM director for several years.

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Dan, Read these sermon notes by Dan Scott titled, "What is a Church?"

What is a Church?

You will see where it is germane to this thread.

He talks about the difference between two definitions of the church - spiritual and corporate. Enjoy!
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Dan, TMI!
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