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Old 05-03-2010, 07:04 AM
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Old 05-03-2010, 07:30 AM
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We discussed this last year:

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Boy I hope holiness is not dead but that article did make some great points. I was surprised the link worked.

I guess I am just a long hair, long dress, girl out of touch with the world. Other than some very modest pretty things I have I really believe in a modest look. It is getting more and more difficult to find cloths at places like Wal-Mart or Target so I have started sewing my clothing. I think being holy starts inside and then works to the surface. I do wonder about all the pressure to conform to the world. They children (14-15-16) have so much pressure today even in the church. It is sad.
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Old 05-03-2010, 08:06 AM
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Re: Holiness dead?

Maybe just in a coma?
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Re: Holiness dead?

I think it is absolutely dead in some places, but thankfully, not all!
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I think holiness has been misrepresented by clothing. In such circles it can indeed be dead and replaced. Holiness is s state of the heart that manifests modesty, for sure, but not necessarily according to certain dress standards. When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord, it becomes fleshly, though modest. Ands anything of the flesh does not please the Lord.

We have two extremes. The folks who hold no bars and think immodesty is fine, and those who have outlandish dress standards that are nigh unto the Amish. Both are fleshly.
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I think holiness has been misrepresented by clothing. In such circles it can indeed be dead and replaced. Holiness is s state of the heart that manifests modesty, for sure, but not necessarily according to certain dress standards. When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord, it becomes fleshly, though modest. Ands anything of the flesh does not please the Lord.

We have two extremes. The folks who hold no bars and think immodesty is fine, and those who have outlandish dress standards that are nigh unto the Amish. Both are fleshly.
I'd quibble a bit, Bro. From what I've seen and experienced over the years, "When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord" we saw the immodesty of apparel move away from the cuff and hemlines and begin to be an extravagance of "style."

Somehow it became acceptable to express "holiness" and "modesty" with beehive hairdos' that would make Marge Simpson blush. And all of this was encouraged because we really wanted to "stick it to Hollyweird" and all of that.

Maybe the untucked shirt and denim on the platform is a move back toward real authentic holiness?
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I'd quibble a bit, Bro. From what I've seen and experienced over the years, "When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord" we saw the immodesty of apparel move away from the cuff and hemlines and begin to be an extravagance of "style."

Somehow it became acceptable to express "holiness" and "modesty" with beehive hairdos' that would make Marge Simpson blush. And all of this was encouraged because we really wanted to "stick it to Hollyweird" and all of that.

Maybe the untucked shirt and denim on the platform is a move back toward real authentic holiness?
We could easily start posting links to facebook pictures of well known holiness ladies that have hair thats out of this world in the way they work it.. in violation of what Paul was talking about. Not to mention the fashion parade at music conferences and general conf.

Yet they are the "examples" of holy living.
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We could easily start posting links to facebook pictures of well known holiness ladies that have hair thats out of this world in the way they work it.. in violation of what Paul was talking about. Not to mention the fashion parade at music conferences and general conf.

Yet they are the "examples" of holy living.
When principles are abandoned people will take great pride in following the letter of the law while simultaneously ignoring the spirit of it. This has always been obvious whenever I attended a camp service and saw the UPC version of the red carpet. The only thing missing was having each lady stop half way to the church entrance as a hundred flashes went off. (And even THEN, there were quite a few pictures being taken.....)
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I'd quibble a bit, Bro. From what I've seen and experienced over the years, "When people have to line up to a dress standard, rather than allow true holiness to manifest naturally of its own accord" we saw the immodesty of apparel move away from the cuff and hemlines and begin to be an extravagance of "style."

Somehow it became acceptable to express "holiness" and "modesty" with beehive hairdos' that would make Marge Simpson blush. And all of this was encouraged because we really wanted to "stick it to Hollyweird" and all of that.

Maybe the untucked shirt and denim on the platform is a move back toward real authentic holiness?
I always hated those huge hairdos. lol

Extravagance of style is no more holiness than Amish appearance, though. People still get it wrong. Flesh is flesh, and so long as believers are not departing from fleshliness, they will go form one error to another and miss the true everytime.

IMMODEST means not drawing attention. People have become so "modest" that hey became immodest in another way!
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