Ladies as an" Ultra-Con" ( used to be called just a good Holiness Brother )I do sincerely love you. Please consider at least giving up makeup in every form (as a starter). It is not healthy , physically or emotionally and as a person created in God'd Holy image it hurts me to see you feel like you need to be made up to appear acceptable to the worldly society. My wife is 36 and has never worn ANY form of makeup including shoe polish on her eyes ( Apostolic reference).The whole JCM episode stirred me strongly in the Holy Ghost and I can say I'm determined with the help of the Lord to stand for holiness and separation.
I want to also say that I teach my children to love women wearing makeup etc. It seems like many liberals "think" we teach our children hate, well I have NEVER seen that to be the case. I have had family members and friends through the years compromise on the dress code and separation from the world and it was not long until more sin was made clearly manifest.
With Love From the heart of a Young Preacher
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__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I know the perfect gift for your children next Christmas. Get them the entire set of Ruth Reider-Harvey chldren's books.
Dear friend we do not participate in the RCC holiday of X-Mass . Thankfully my nine year old son can read and comprehend more Hebrew than most Oneness preachers so I believe that we will continue with Kittel's Hebrew Text.(YALE) This is based upon the Masoretic text, which was of course used as a bases for the KJV.
In other words I covet your prayers to be an accurate and adequate teacher.
From a senior believer, Bro. you really should be like Jesus and focus on the heart, and let the outside be dealt with by the individual and their Lord. Your position on makeup should be your and your wife's decision and your relationship to your Lord. And make sure it is based on scripture and not on a sixty year old religious tradition.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Yo Yiso! Do you really think your appeal will be received?
I am not anti separation per se, however, unless you show scriptural prohibition who possibly will (or should) receive you?
Separation for the sake of separation produces separateness but not godliness.
Should we not be as much like the culture we are trying to reach as possible?
Realizing there are limits involving sinful behavior and such, it is incumbent on you to show how wearing any makeup is sin or sinful. How is a small amount of makeup on a zit a bad thing? How is foundation for these ladies "not healthy , physically or emotionally"?
I don't know that there is any makeup in our home, but I would think twice before I determined one was somehow unholy if they had some on.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
[QUOTE=Hoovie;899011]Yo Yiso! Do you really think your appeal will be received?
Should we not be as much like the culture we are trying to reach as possible?
Bro. Hoovie : Wie Gehts? Translation: How are ya . Perhaps the first PA Dutch on AFF.You have a lovely baby boy thank the Lord! I learned PA Dutch in 4 months working with backslidden Amish and Mennonite boys when I was 15. We had just left UPC concerning Divorce and remarriage in the ministry among other things. Here I was 15 on fire for God and going to Revival many times 3-4 nights a week and working with Mennonite boys in shorts and tank tops who after work lived quite worldly, I'm talking works of the flesh .I was white shirt , undershirt and dark long pants ....Concerning the appeal I'm troubled that you being a part of UPC that teaches against makeup officially , would feel that we should be as much like the culture as possible to reach them. Romans 12:1-2; Jer. 4:30; I Tim 2:9-12
Should we not be as much like the culture we are trying to reach as possible?
Bro. Hoovie : Wie Gehts? Translation: How are ya . Perhaps the first PA Dutch on AFF.You have a lovely baby boy thank the Lord! I learned PA Dutch in 4 months working with backslidden Amish and Mennonite boys when I was 15. We had just left UPC concerning Divorce and remarriage in the ministry among other things. Here I was 15 on fire for God and going to Revival many times 3-4 nights a week and working with Mennonite boys in shorts and tank tops who after work lived quite worldly, I'm talking works of the flesh .I was white shirt , undershirt and dark long pants ....Concerning the appeal I'm troubled that you being a part of UPC that teaches against makeup officially , would feel that we should be as much like the culture as possible to reach them. Romans 12:1-2; Jer. 4:30; I Tim 2:9-12
culture? So if we are reaching Jews we should be unjew like? If I am reaching Amish I should be as unAmish as possible? If I am reaching Mexicans I should make sure there is no mexican culture whatsoever in my life? So what do we tell mexicans that convert? Become European?
Ironically Paul said to the Jews he became as they. To the Gentiles he became as they...it's not culture that is a sin...it's SIN that is sin. Adultery, Lying, Stealing etc etc.
The bible does not teach against culture.
Rom 12:1-2 does not address culture or makeup. Neither does Jer 4:30 does not say any of those things are a sin nor does it depict them in a bad way. The point of Jeremiah was that Zion's lovers spurned them and wanted to kill them, so their attractiveness was all in vain. This is a metaphor used for the city of Zion.
But just out of curiosity, do you abstain from wearing scarlet too because this word appears here?
1Ti 2:9 likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire,
1Ti 2:10 but with what is proper for women who profess godliness--with good works.
1Ti 2:11 Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness.
1Ti 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
Again nothing here about makeup
I understand where you are coming from though. When this is all you know and this is all you are taught, THIS becomes a church culture and everything else looks foreign to you. But when you really start studying scriptures, to whom they were written, why, context etc etc, I think you'll come away with a different perspective that emphasizes a Spiritual holiness that manifests outwardly in fruits and modesty but not a "code"
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
. Hoovie : Wie Gehts? Translation: How are ya . Perhaps the first PA Dutch on AFF.You have a lovely baby boy thank the Lord! I learned PA Dutch in 4 months working with backslidden Amish and Mennonite boys when I was 15. We had just left UPC concerning Divorce and remarriage in the ministry among other things. Here I was 15 on fire for God and going to Revival many times 3-4 nights a week and working with Mennonite boys in shorts and tank tops who after work lived quite worldly, I'm talking works of the flesh .I was white shirt , undershirt and dark long pants ....Concerning the appeal I'm troubled that you being a part of UPC that teaches against makeup officially , would feel that we should be as much like the culture as possible to reach them. Romans 12:1-2; Jer. 4:30; I Tim 2:9-12
Hey thats kewl about the PA Dutch! Sahr Goot! (very good) Funny about working with those boys and the dress reversal. LOL! I am still very close to some of my Old Order Mennonite family and friends. We have invited about 80 of my family for a party next month!
You had "just left UPC" ... where did you go, if I may ask? Now what is your circle of fellowship?
I'm sorry that you are troubled. In practice, I think we are very conservative including makeup and such. However, if someone is going to say others are sinful, or unholy, you really have to lay it out plain. The scriptural references given do not make that case in IMHO.
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Hybrid Mode
