UPCI

[Sister Alvear]

I have never belonged...so my words are the words of an outsider...I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN BY WRITING THIS BUT I FEEL WE NEED EACH OTHER MORE THAN EVER BEFORE.

I have read/heard and saw both good and bad....However my overall thoughts about the UPCI in general are:
1. They have done more to promote the gospel than any other Jesus Name group I know.
2. They have opened up many home missions churches throughout America more than any other JN group I know.
3. I stand in awe of their many missionaries all over the world...more than any other Jesus name group I know.
4. I honor their many programs for missions and can say UPCI missionaries are well taken care of...and that takes a load off the missionary.
5. I honor great men and women that have been and are associated with the UPCI.
6. I know there are some that are quite different in thinking than I am however I pray for them and hope if they know me they will pray for me.

Yes, I know there have been some that were "done wrong" but we are dealing with human factors and no one is perfect much less a big organization. Mistakes have been made and in the process some have been destroyed...however this is the results of all of us being human. That happens among the independents too...

I deeply appreciate the UPCI churches that open their doors to us along with any other group that opens their doors...I think we ought to love one another as much as possible. I am deeply aware there are people we cannot always be buddy buddy to but we can pray for them and wish them well.

I want to be friends with all those that want my friendship...I have no desire to murder anyone.

Often it is strange how people tell things that are not true...before taking sides with anyone we should learn the truth...we should go to the person...hearsay is cheap...truth is valuable…I even heard not long ago in so many words we were leaning toward trinity…lol…when I would say we have probably baptized more trinity people in Jesus name than any group in Brazil.

We believe what we believe but it has never been our intentions to hurt anyone.
So dear ones let us pray for all people but especially those of the household of faith not looking at what color card they hold…WE ALL NEED EACH OTHER.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have never belonged...so my words are the words of an outsider...I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN BY WRITING THIS BUT I FEEL WE NEED EACH OTHER MORE THAN EVER BEFORE.

I have read/heard and saw both good and bad....However my overall thoughts about the UPCI in general are:
1. They have done more to promote the gospel than any other Jesus Name group I know.
2. They have opened up many home missions churches throughout America more than any other JN group I know.

Maybe I'm just way out of the loop, but I don't see how this could be true. You're saying that the UPC has done more, quantitatively, to spread the gospel than even the Assemblies of God, or Southern Baptists, just to name a couple of large organizations? More than Lutherans, Methodists, or Presbyterians? They are all Jesus Name groups. I guess I just don't see how the UPC has done more than any other Jesus Name group. I'm confused.

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Maybe I'm just way out of the loop, but I don't see how this could be true. You're saying that the UPC has done more, quantitatively, to spread the gospel than even the Assemblies of God, or Southern Baptists, just to name a couple of large organizations? More than Lutherans, Methodists, or Presbyterians? They are all Jesus Name groups. I guess I just don't see how the UPC has done more than any other Jesus Name group. I'm confused.

I think that what Sis Alvear meant by "Jesus Name" groups are those who baptize in the name of; Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus Christ (there are several varients). All the orgs that you name do not baptize in Jesus name, they baptize in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost titles. They are not "Jesus Name" organizations.
I am not UPC, but must ackonwledge that they are the largest JN org. and therefore do more missions work than any other JN organization.
Sis. Alvear is correct in all of her statments in that regard.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by U376977

I think that what Sis Alvear meant by "Jesus Name" groups are those who baptize in the name of; Jesus, Jesus Christ or Lord Jesus Christ (there are several varients). All the orgs that you name do not baptize in Jesus name, they baptize in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost titles. They are not "Jesus Name" organizations.
I am not UPC, but must ackonwledge that they are the largest JN org. and therefore do more missions work than any other JN organization.
Sis. Alvear is correct in all of her statments in that regard.

Naaaa, I'm still confused. The UPC is not the largest Jesus Name organization. That's probably The Southern Baptist Convention. But there are many other Baptist groups, as well, dozens of them. But we have to consider many other Jesus Name groups, such as Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Church of God, Nazarenes, my goodness, the list goes on forever of Jesus Name denominations that are larger than the UPC.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Naaaa, I'm still confused. The UPC is not the largest Jesus Name organization. That's probably The Southern Baptist Convention. But there are many other Baptist groups, as well, dozens of them. But we have to consider many other Jesus Name groups, such as Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Church of God, Nazarenes, my goodness, the list goes on forever of Jesus Name denominations that are larger than the UPC.

I think your chosen nickname says it all...

What's so hard to understand. She was not speaking of any of those groups.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I think your chosen nickname says it all...

What's so hard to understand. She was not speaking of any of those groups.

My feelings are hurt. Sniffle. Here I am, all confused, and you're accusing me of trying to cause trouble. I don't understand. Now I'm even more confused.

Hopefully, my point in all this is fairly discernible.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Naaaa, I'm still confused. The UPC is not the largest Jesus Name organization. That's probably The Southern Baptist Convention. But there are many other Baptist groups, as well, dozens of them. But we have to consider many other Jesus Name groups, such as Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Church of God, Nazarenes, my goodness, the list goes on forever of Jesus Name denominations that are larger than the UPC.

Okay, okay. Sister A, starts a thread to say something nice about a group that she doesn't even belong to. We can allow her to do that and use conventional terminology understood in a conventional manner within the AFF lexicon, can't we?

[U376977]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Naaaa, I'm still confused. The UPC is not the largest Jesus Name organization. That's probably The Southern Baptist Convention. But there are many other Baptist groups, as well, dozens of them. But we have to consider many other Jesus Name groups, such as Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Church of God, Nazarenes, my goodness, the list goes on forever of Jesus Name denominations that are larger than the UPC.

I understand now that you are just being "dense" on purpose to try to prove a point. So the joke is on me.

But the point is still not lost that there is a distinct and OH SO IMPORTANT, difference in the orgs that you mention and those who practice baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ. Yes, many of the "oneness" trinitarians use the name of Jesus in prayer, some what hypocritically, to be honest and true to their refusal to use the name of Jesus Christ in baptism, they should also refuse its use in all cases including prayer. They should close all their prayers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost!

I wonder if there is anyplace, any online source, or a book, put out by the trinitarian orgs. that claim that they are "Jesus Name." I think NOT. They would not want to identify themselves with those of us who are follwers of the Name.

To any honest observer, trinitarian orgs. cannot be called "Jesus Name."

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by U376977

I understand now that you are just being "dense" on purpose to try to prove a point. So the joke is on me.

But the point is still not lost that there is a distinct and OH SO IMPORTANT, difference in the orgs that you mention and those who practice baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ. Yes, many of the "oneness" trinitarians use the name of Jesus in prayer, some what hypocritically, to be honest and true to their refusal to use the name of Jesus Christ in baptism, they should also refuse its use in all cases including prayer. They should close all their prayers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost!

I wonder if there is anyplace, any online source, or a book, put out by the trinitarian orgs. that claim that they are "Jesus Name." I think NOT. They would not want to identify themselves with those of us who are follwers of the Name.

To any honest observer, trinitarian orgs. cannot be called "Jesus Name."

Nevermind anything I previosly posted... have at him TroubleMaker. I hate the kinda attitude shown above just as much as you do.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by U376977

I understand now that you are just being "dense" on purpose to try to prove a point. So the joke is on me.

But the point is still not lost that there is a distinct and OH SO IMPORTANT, difference in the orgs that you mention and those who practice baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ. Yes, many of the "oneness" trinitarians use the name of Jesus in prayer, some what hypocritically, to be honest and true to their refusal to use the name of Jesus Christ in baptism, they should also refuse its use in all cases including prayer. They should close all their prayers in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost!

I wonder if there is anyplace, any online source, or a book, put out by the trinitarian orgs. that claim that they are "Jesus Name." I think NOT. They would not want to identify themselves with those of us who are follwers of the Name.

To any honest observer, trinitarian orgs. cannot be called "Jesus Name."

Case and point!!!!

No wait, is it "Case and point" or "Case in point"? Now I'm confused again!

Anyway, you've made my point perfectly!! You have a monopoly on the name of Jesus. All those other idiots are hypocrites!