Crownover's Holiness PPT: Admits to Traditions

[DAII]

I found this powerpoint by Raymond Crownover, professor at UGST, to be enlightening to say the least:

http://crownteaching.com/powerpoint.aspx

Among his admissions about the UPCI's Holiness Article:

- the prohibitions on makeup, theatre and dances are carry overs from the 19th century Holiness movement.

- Dancing between a man and wife in private is not prohibited ... nor is mixed bathing between family members. Pants prohibited on a women not a practice in all churches.

- There is "No general stand taken about watching television" (Really?)

- Modern technology makes it unclear what constitutes a "television"-

- Some variation is expected to occur in non-Western nations as a result of cultural differences in the definition of modesty


Also, he argues that the standards of the UPCI holds are not just from direct NT scripture or biblical principles but from

- the laws of the Land
- Church traditions and culture
- Social Traditions and Cultural Patterns

A statement that stood out is that these standards ... "Should change over time as surrounding culture changes".

Your thoughts on the powerpoint ....

[DAII]

Unwhole music ... can be identified by VOLUME???

Volume
Loud music is physically harmful and therefore violates Biblical principles
Damage from blasting Christian music or sermons is still damage
Cannot preach against smoking cigarettes if attending church causes physical harm due to excessive volume

Ray are you for real????

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by DAII

Unwhole music ... can be identified by VOLUME???


Ray are you for real????

He makes a pretty good point.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

He makes a pretty good point.

I tend to agree. While volume levels are still extremely subjective it is still better then teachings I've heard over the years where certain beats and chord progressions are considered "of the devil" -usually for no other reason then it is NOT "Southern gospel".

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

He makes a pretty good point.

Ok, well I appoint me to be the one who decides if it's loud or not.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

Ok, well I appoint me to be the one who decides if it's loud or not.

I saw a tee shirt that said,
"If it's too loud,
you're too old"

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by DAII

Unwhole music ... can be identified by VOLUME???


Ray are you for real????

Daniel are you for real? It din't say the music was unwholesome based on volume, he was saying the same principle that teaches smoking is wrong should be used to say music or sermons that are so loud they cause physical damage are unwholesome.

That doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Daniel are you for real? It din't say the music was unwholesome based on volume, he was saying the same principle that teaches smoking is wrong should be used to say music or sermons that are so loud they cause physical damage are unwholesome.

That doesn't seem like a stretch to me.

Any music can be played at a damaging volume ... you are not suggesting Beethoven or a hymn played at a ear damaging decibel is necessarily "unwholesome" or that this was the spirit of the Holiness article resolution in 1954 are you?

His intents was to expound on the the meaning of the various clauses of the Holiness Article ... was it not?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by DAII

Any music can be played at a damaging volume ... you are not suggesting Beethoven or a hymn played at a ear damaging decibel is necessarily "unwholesome" or that this was the spirit of the Holiness article resolution in 1954 are you?

His intents was to expound on the the meaning of the various clauses of the Holiness Article ... was it not?

Any music played at a damaging level would be contrary to holiness principles, I believe that is the context. The very next slide points out it is not the "kind" of music that is the issue. He also points to the content of the music as what makes it unwholesome.

Perhaps it is more about true holiness rather than just a list of rules?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Unwhole music ... can be identified by VOLUME???


Ray are you for real????

Hah!

"Crownover" names his ministry "Crown of Life!" ??? Clang syndrome?

C'mon King Mondo!