What I have learned from AFF

mrnbcox · #1 12-07-2009, 12:55 PM

IF someone is not a One God, Jesus Name Baptisim, HOly Ghost filled with evidence of speaking in Tongues, living a seperated life of consecration to God christian... they can still be saved.

Trinitarians can remain trinitarians and still go to Heaven.

Tounges is not the intial sign of the Holy Ghost

Baptisim isn't as important to be Jesus name only.

Jesus may not be God, possibly a second...

Appearance doesn't matter to God

Its not a sin for women to:
Cut their hair
Wear Pants
Jewelry
Make-Up

did I miss anything?

An yet they still insist they are Apostolic.

rgcraig · #2 12-07-2009, 12:57 PM

You left off iron sharpens iron.

Actually, you left off a LOT that has been thrown out there in the past, but that's okay.

I've NEVER read that Jesus might not be God - did you throw that one in there to see if we're reading your post?

mrnbcox · #3 12-07-2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

You left off iron sharpens iron.

Actually, you left off a LOT that has been thrown out there in the past, but that's okay.

I've NEVER read that Jesus might not be God - did you throw that one in there to see if we're reading your post?

I haven't been hear a long time, so I am just putting out what I have seen so far..

and the Oneness thread awhile back is where I drew my conclusions that some are not sure Jesus was fully God.

Jeffrey · #4 12-07-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnbcox

I haven't been hear a long time, so I am just putting out what I have seen so far..

and the Oneness thread awhile back is where I drew my conclusions that some are not sure Jesus was fully God.

What individual (please name them) said they weren't sure Jesus was fully God? Me thinks you are wrong on that point.

In fact, you are hard-pressed to find too many in Christendom that don't believe Jesus was fully God.

And to be accurate, since I suspect no one said that or doubted His divinity, it would also be presumptious to classify AFF in general for the opinion of a one (and possibly a dramatic minority).

What you didn't include in your learnings are these type of people:
Repeat Sunday School rhetoric
When in doubt, use the "obey your pastor" card
Never question doctrine
In debate, avoid scriptural discussions, just be a dump truck of scriptures you think are owned by your position.
Those that view salvation has been a huge hurdle, and we will be lucky if we just barely make it
Those that see their own works as part of their salvation, ignorantly using James' Faith w/out Works sermon.
Those that are quick to label people, but slow to enter true discourse with people.
Those who realize they don't know how to biblically defend their positions, and the usual cycle is: attack everyone else, label them, anger, consideration, study, more study, concession of points, and in the end hopefully a robust biblical world view.

mrnbcox · #5 12-07-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

What individual (please name them) said they weren't sure Jesus was fully God? Me thinks you are wrong on that point.

In fact, you are hard-pressed to find too many in Christendom that don't believe Jesus was fully God.

And to be accurate, since I suspect no one said that or doubted His divinity, it would also be presumptious to classify AFF in general for the opinion of a one (and possibly a dramatic minority).

What you didn't include in your learnings are these type of people:
Repeat Sunday School rhetoric
When in doubt, use the "obey your pastor" card
Never question doctrine
In debate, avoid scriptural discussions, just be a dump truck of scriptures you think are owned by your position.
Those that view salvation has been a huge hurdle, and we will be lucky if we just barely make it
Those that see their own works as part of their salvation, ignorantly using James' Faith w/out Works sermon.
Those that are quick to label people, but slow to enter true discourse with people.
Those who realize they don't know how to biblically defend their positions, and the usual cycle is: attack everyone else, label them, anger, consideration, study, more study, concession of points, and in the end hopefully a robust biblical world view.

I draw my conluson about his divinity by comments made about Jesus praying, etc...

Nobody flat out said he was not God.

Sorry to cause confusion.

Baron1710 · #6 12-07-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnbcox

I draw my conluson about his divinity by comments made about Jesus praying, etc...

Nobody flat out said he was not God.

Sorry to cause confusion.

Jesus didn't pray?

Tina · #7 12-07-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnbcox

I dress my conluson about his divinity by comments made about Jesus praying, etc...

Nobody flat out said he was not God.

Sorry to cause confusion.

You choose to label an entire forum of several hundred people by what you've seen posted by a few people. Stick around a while. You just might REALLY learn something.

Jeffrey · #8 12-07-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnbcox

I draw my conluson about his divinity by comments made about Jesus praying, etc...

Nobody flat out said he was not God.

Sorry to cause confusion.

Ah, I see. I made these alleged comments, and I assure you that I believe fully that Jesus is God come in flesh. My points about Jesus praying weren't about taking away His divinity. Not even hinted, subtly hinted or suggested in the least.

The point was discussing the explanation of His godhead in the standard Trinity vs. Oneness debate. I ascribe to Oneness theology, but perhaps approach the subject humbly, realizing I don't beat my breast because I know and fully understand the godhead. It's confounding to say the least. And no matter which side you support (Oneness or one of the 31 flavors of Trinity) we all have to overcome the mystery factor, and use language at some point to make that leap in logic. The prayer in the garden was an example.

I strongly recommend approaching these topics with attempting to understand what is being said.