Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

jfrog · #1 10-13-2009, 06:30 PM

This issue was originally being discussed in the thread on women pastors. Because all the posts on this topic do not carry over from there, I think it will be best for everyone to list whether they think Isaiah 3 is for or against jewelry and a few reasons why they think that in order to refresh everyone's minds on the issue.

I will list mine later, I just wanted to get the thread started as soon as possible.

Godsdrummer · #2 10-13-2009, 10:17 PM

Gladly and with great joy will I address this issue because I was raised UPCI where at least we could have wedding rings. But another issue came up while I was pastoring, when a sister came to me concerning another subject and said we preach such and such and she had been doing some study on her own and found things were not as we had preach as truth she said she felt lied to.
This cause me to go back to the book and ask God to put his word even more in my heart. Understand I thought I knew the word front and back by this time but things had been accepted by myself as the word of God if they seem to make sence. So now I began to question everything and study things frontwards and backwards. I found that most everything I had been taught as sound word of God (standards of holiness) were mans meanings and not what the word accualy said. This finally caused me to leave UPCI after 45 years. I hung on for 20 years after God showed me his truth.

Now as for Isaiah let me break this down s l o w l y

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

Everything listed are attitudes nothing has to do with jewlery, even the tinkling with their feet is hard put to make mean jewlery.

Isa 3:17 Therefore Because oftheir sensual, prideful,haughty attitude
the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
the first thing God is going to do is strike their head with scab. This will take away their pride and haughtyness.
I would go on but I think anyone with a open heart to the spirit of what God is doing will get the drift.

Sam · #3 10-13-2009, 10:25 PM

I agree that the women were condemned because of their pride and arrogance, not because they wore jewelry, styled their hair, looked in mirrors, wore perfume, wore bonnets and head bands and had more than one outfit of clothing.

Sam · #4 10-13-2009, 10:28 PM

My pastor told us of a preacher who preached that when Isaiah 3:18 said that God would take away "their round tires like the moon" it was a prophecy of how tires would be rationed during World War 2. That was preached during World War 2.

That may seem humorous but it's probably about as good Bible exposition as preaching about wearing wedding rings from that same chapter today.

jfrog · #5 10-14-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

My pastor told us of a preacher who preached that when Isaiah 3:18 said that God would take away "their round tires like the moon" it was a prophecy of how tires would be rationed during World War 2. That was preached during World War 2.

That may seem humorous but it's probably about as good Bible exposition as preaching about wearing wedding rings from that same chapter today.

The reminds me how about the time of 9-11, I was hearing people say the bible predicted it. I forgot which verse they were using but it said something about towers falling or something like that. Of course what they were claiming was nonsense. I just find it amazing how people do this kind of thing.

Godsdrummer · #6 10-13-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I agree that the women were condemned because of their pride and arrogance, not because they wore jewelry, styled their hair, looked in mirrors, wore perfume, wore bonnets and head bands and had more than one outfit of clothing.

It never seases to amaze me how some of the doctrines of performance based religions are founded on such slim scriptural basis as this. They also use I Timothy 2:9 to teach against jewlery yet don't say anything about women putting up their hair in hair doos, and the scripture says not braided hair. They pick and choose what they want to preach against. I once heard a pastor preach against beards using I Corintians 11:4 saying the face is part of the head and therefore should not be covered. Aw well Only God is my judge.

davidwillson · #7 10-19-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I agree that the women were condemned because of their pride and arrogance, not because they wore jewelry, styled their hair, looked in mirrors, wore perfume, wore bonnets and head bands and had more than one outfit of clothing.

My pastor told us of a preacher who preached that when Isaiah 3:18 said that God would take away "their round tires like the moon" it was a prophecy of how tires would be rationed during World War 2. That was preached during World War 2.

That may seem humorous but it's probably about as good Bible exposition as preaching about wearing wedding rings from that same chapter today.

ApostolicTexas · #8 10-14-2009, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Gladly and with great joy will I address this issue because I was raised UPCI where at least we could have wedding rings. But another issue came up while I was pastoring, when a sister came to me concerning another subject and said we preach such and such and she had been doing some study on her own and found things were not as we had preach as truth she said she felt lied to.
This cause me to go back to the book and ask God to put his word even more in my heart. Understand I thought I knew the word front and back by this time but things had been accepted by myself as the word of God if they seem to make sence. So now I began to question everything and study things frontwards and backwards. I found that most everything I had been taught as sound word of God (standards of holiness) were mans meanings and not what the word accualy said. This finally caused me to leave UPCI after 45 years. I hung on for 20 years after God showed me his truth.

Now as for Isaiah let me break this down s l o w l y

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

Everything listed are attitudes nothing has to do with jewlery, even the tinkling with their feet is hard put to make mean jewlery.

Isa 3:17 Therefore Because oftheir sensual, prideful,haughty attitude
the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
the first thing God is going to do is strike their head with scab. This will take away their pride and haughtyness.
I would go on but I think anyone with a open heart to the spirit of what God is doing will get the drift.

Context context context,WHO was God speaking to and about?..This is something Apostolics do not consider,don't worry,you have not been taught to do that,you have been taught to take the Word of God literal.It is literal,but not all of it.Lot of metaphoric language being used and it even carries over into the New.

Sam · #9 10-14-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Context context context,WHO was God speaking to and about?..This is something Apostolics do not consider,don't worry,you have not been taught to do that,you have been taught to take the Word of God literal.It is literal,but not all of it.Lot of metaphoric language being used and it even carries over into the New.

context, context, context

a text
taken from its context
is usually just a pretext

Godsdrummer · #10 10-15-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicTexas

Context context context,WHO was God speaking to and about?..This is something Apostolics do not consider,don't worry,you have not been taught to do that,you have been taught to take the Word of God literal.It is literal,but not all of it.Lot of metaphoric language being used and it even carries over into the New.

I absolutly agree Apostolics have a tendancy to take things out of context although I have not taken it out of context I was leaving it in context just trying to expaining what it was saying to those that take it out of context.
btw I am former Apostolic. I don't know what class I fall into now. lol