The Dem's seem ready to go forward on heatlhcare

[MikeinAR]

with or without the Republicans. Given the past month of misinformation and absurdity, it is beginning to look like the Dem's may go it alone without the moderate Republican's input.

I take it they're going to give them until the end of the Congressional recess, and then the train is leaving the station. It'll be interesting to see if the moderate Repub's like Grassley and others hold their current positions or decide they'd like to talk after all. A bold move by the Obama administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/he...s.html?_r=1&hp

[coadie]

Gay Barney says bring it on!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uji-j...embedded#t=169

[n david]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

with or without the Republicans. Given the past month of misinformation and absurdity, it is beginning to look like the Dem's may go it alone without the moderate Republican's input.

I take it they're going to give them until the end of the Congressional recess, and then the train is leaving the station. It'll be interesting to see if the moderate Repub's like Grassley and others hold their current positions or decide they'd like to talk after all. A bold move by the Obama administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/he...s.html?_r=1&hp

Oh yes, such a bold, manly move by BHO.

I have no problem with the BHO allowing the Dems to dig his (and their) grave(s).

As for deciding they'd (Republicans) like to talk ... they've been talking. Dems repeatedly have done procedural moves to block them out of the process or limit discussion.

If the plan is all the admin says it is, and it's good for the american public, then allow the process to work. Don't try to shove it thru. Read the bill and allow time for debate. Why the initial demand from BHO to get it done before the August recess?

Even BHO himself doesn't know what the bill has in it - that's a fact from a statement he made that I'm sure you can easily find.

If GWB had done this with a bill, you would be the first in line to complain about it. And if the Republicans had tried shoving a bill thru without the Dems, again, I guarantee you wouldn't be praising it as a bold move.

Again, the Dems and BHO are welcome to dig their own graves with this legislation and try to pass it without Republican support.

[Ferd]

If this thing moves forward, I sure hope the dems do so with NO republican support.


That will help republicans next year.

[Pressing-On]

If they move toward a co-op, I think it will end up like Ben Shapiro writes. Great article!

The Fannie Mae Health System

Obama's "public option" plan was a grand attempt to sweep away all private opposition by making it more affordable for private businesses to dump all their employees on the taxpayer. His new "co-op" plan follows the Fannie Mae model for undermining public confidence in private health care. It allows the government to subsidize "co-ops" while promoting government care standards --subsidies and standards that will no doubt be overly generous in order to draw new clients.

At the same time, Obama's plan will continue to promote requirements that private insurers cover all applicants, no matter how sick, no matter how bad their pre-existing conditions. Insurers who currently do not make payments to stage-4 cancer patients applying for care will now need to make those payments. Healthy insurance beneficiaries will bear the brunt in increased deductibles. Higher cost and worse care will result for private health care clients.

Even worse, the "co-op" myth will provide Obama the cover he seeks to utterly swamp the private system. When private insurer care drops in quality -- a drop necessitated by new regulations -- Obama will declare their care insufficient. More and more Americans will opt for the new "co-ops," just as more and more Americans opted for Fannie Mae mortgages.

And sooner or later, when "co-ops" go bankrupt, government will step in to save the day with total nationalization.

http://townhall.com/columnists/BenSh..._system?page=2

[RevDWW]

The Dems have the great model of efficiency and profitability called the Postal Service to use to get Government run health care going.
No long lines, no waste, no cost overruns, no blown budgets.......
Even the President mentioned the Postal Service in the health care discussions.........

note: this post is dripping with sarcasm

[coadie]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

The Dems have the great model of efficiency and profitability called the Postal Service to use to get Government run health care going.
No long lines, no waste, no cost overruns, no blown budgets.......
Even the President mentioned the Postal Service in the health care discussions.........

note: this post is dripping with sarcasm

We are promised free healthcare. Postage begins with postcard rates and isn't free. It may cost a trillion dollars for free health care.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

The Dems have the great model of efficiency and profitability called the Postal Service to use to get Government run health care going.
No long lines, no waste, no cost overruns, no blown budgets.......
Even the President mentioned the Postal Service in the health care discussions.........

note: this post is dripping with sarcasm

The point is that the Republicans are trying to kill a public option in the healthcare bill because private insurance companies supposedly can't compete with gov't run healthcare plan.

Fed-Ex and UPS sure do a good job competing with the Postal Service don't they? Private business is not only competing with a gov't run entity but beating them. The three of them competing in that environment makes it cheaper for you and I to ship things.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

The point is that the Republicans are trying to kill a public option in the healthcare bill because private insurance companies supposedly can't compete with gov't run healthcare plan.

Fed-Ex and UPS sure do a good job competing with the Postal Service don't they? Private business is not only competing with a gov't run entity but beating them. The three of them competing in that environment makes it cheaper for you and I to ship things.

Mike, Mike, Mike. Look at what you just said. Your statement undermines the case for government healthcare. Fed Ex and UPS thrive not because they have the Postal Service to compete against, they thrive b/c private industry is much more effecient than government run anything.

These guys cant even get CASH for CLUNKERS right! Car dealerships are pulling out of the C4C program b/c they are tired of waiting for the money. The bureaucracy of C4C is taking so long these dealers have quit the program out of frustration! The first time they ran out of money in the first month when it was supposed to last until November.

now you have one of your supporters, Warrewn buffet warning the BO administration that they are going to kill any financial recovery if they dont stop all of this deficit spending---and he endorsed OBAMA!

If the government would get out of the way of insurers, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, HMOs, doctors, medical service providers, etc. The private industry would provide much better, less expensive healthcare. Watch UPS and FedEx really take off when the Postal Service closes its doors.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by MikeinAR

The point is that the Republicans are trying to kill a public option in the healthcare bill because private insurance companies supposedly can't compete with gov't run healthcare plan.

Fed-Ex and UPS sure do a good job competing with the Postal Service don't they? Private business is not only competing with a gov't run entity but beating them. The three of them competing in that environment makes it cheaper for you and I to ship things.

Those dirty capitalist pigs!

You did hear that the Post Offices is always having problems didn't you? If it were a private run business it would not be in business.