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[coadie]

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

Ethel C. Fenig
Perhaps former Governor Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) was referring to the tragic predicament of Barbara Wagner of Oregon when she wrote how she feared for the fate of her Down Syndrome son under "Obama's 'Death Panels.' "

Susan Donaldson James of ABC News reports on the letter Ms. Wagner received from the Oregon Health Plan in response to a $4000 a month drug her doctor prescribed after her lung cancer, long in remission, returned..


the insurance company refused to pay.

What the Oregon Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $50.


Hmmmm, let's do the math. Yep, a one time prescription of $50 sure is cheaper than $4000 a month for who knows how many months to keep a 64 year old woman alive. So the Oregon "Death Panel" graciously offered suicide pills. Or doctor assisted murder.


But Ms. Wagner had an understandably different reaction.



"It was horrible," Wagner told ABCNews.com. "I got a letter in the mail that basically said if you want to take the pills, we will help you get that from the doctor and we will stand there and watch you die. But we won't give you the medication to live."

We have the groundwork for this. Obama lies again and again. He has a track record of corruption. With his deplorable reputation, we can't trust him.

The liberals hate Gov Palin who was open and honest about this. So is on the mark. Yesterday I heard the Dems clamor about the Insurance company between the patient and the doc. Now it is the government that wants in the docs office and put the IRS in there also.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by coadie

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

Ethel C. Fenig
Perhaps former Governor Sarah Palin (R-Alaska) was referring to the tragic predicament of Barbara Wagner of Oregon when she wrote how she feared for the fate of her Down Syndrome son under "Obama's 'Death Panels.' "

Susan Donaldson James of ABC News reports on the letter Ms. Wagner received from the Oregon Health Plan in response to a $4000 a month drug her doctor prescribed after her lung cancer, long in remission, returned..


the insurance company refused to pay.

What the Oregon Health Plan did agree to cover, however, were drugs for a physician-assisted death. Those drugs would cost about $50.


Hmmmm, let's do the math. Yep, a one time prescription of $50 sure is cheaper than $4000 a month for who knows how many months to keep a 64 year old woman alive. So the Oregon "Death Panel" graciously offered suicide pills. Or doctor assisted murder.


But Ms. Wagner had an understandably different reaction.



"It was horrible," Wagner told ABCNews.com. "I got a letter in the mail that basically said if you want to take the pills, we will help you get that from the doctor and we will stand there and watch you die. But we won't give you the medication to live."

We have the groundwork for this. Obama lies again and again. He has a track record of corruption. With his deplorable reputation, we can't trust him.

The liberals hate Gov Palin who was open and honest about this. So is on the mark. Yesterday I heard the Dems clamor about the Insurance company between the patient and the doc. Now it is the government that wants in the docs office and put the IRS in there also.

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

[coadie]

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?
The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

IRS can determine if the doc makes too much profit. Remember they are going to cut costs. The 1018 page document ahs a lot IRS involvement. If an Outpatient surgery center and it's docs make too much, they will lower reimbursement.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Esther

'Death Panels' in Oregon?

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2001
February 22: Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Senate Bill 1095) was first introduced in the Illinois Senate.

March 28: Then State Senator Barack Obama voted "NO" on the bill in the Senate Judiciary Committee. (Re: dating, the bill was introduced one day, and the vote was held the next. The tally is dated the day the hearing on the bill began.)

March 30: Obama spoke against the bill on the Senate floor.

March 30: Obama voted "PRESENT" on the Senate floor.




2002
January 30: Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Senate Bill 1662) was reintroduced after failing to become law the prior year.

March 6: Then State Senator Barack Obama voted "NO" on the bill in the Senate Judiciary Committee.

April 4: Obama spoke against the bill on the Senate floor.

April 4: Obama voted "NO" on the Senate floor.

July 18: Congress passed the federal version of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act.

August 5: The federal version of the Born Alive Infants Protection was signed by the President into law.




2003
February 19: Born Alive Infants Protection Act (Senate Bill 1082) was reintroduced after failing to become law the prior year.

March 13: After first voting for an amendment to make the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act identical to the federal version, Obama voted against the bill. (Re: dating, the bill was introduced one day, and the vote was held the next. The tally is dated the day the hearing on the bill began.)


Of course Obama was caught lying during the campaign about how he voted against "born alive child protection"

He has a shrinking batch of koolaid drinking supportes that defend his lying.

Oh so if a child is born and found to have down syndrome, they can just fix it right there.
So he lied about suppporting infanticide. Of course we expect the same behavior from his corruption on elderly.
Obama is not in favor of the sanctity of human life.

[coadie]

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.[/QUOTE]

The IRS will of course have to go to employers and collect insurance premium. They will also have to collect tax and fines from companies that don't have full State coverage and for the 4 or 8% to cover the non employees. The IRS will be the weapon to see how much money providors make and show ways they can bet the prices down. 1000 Advil wholesale to a hospital pharmacy is 5 dollars. They do not sell this quantity and package to Walmart for resale. Obama will have his people bully at every transaction. Today there was even mumbling about buying some drugs from Canada. The IRS may be needed if rationing takes place and the IRS can track people paying to reduce their wait times.
Whenever you impose severe and choking controls, there are fears of people beating the system.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

The IRS will of course have to go to employers and collect insurance premium. They will also have to collect tax and fines from companies that don't have full State coverage and for the 4 or 8% to cover the non employees. The IRS will be the weapon to see how much money providors make and show ways they can bet the prices down. 1000 Advil wholesale to a hospital pharmacy is 5 dollars. They do not sell this quantity and package to Walmart for resale. Obama will have his people bully at every transaction. Today there was even mumbling about buying some drugs from Canada. The IRS may be needed if rationing takes place and the IRS can track people paying to reduce their wait times.
Whenever you impose severe and choking controls, there are fears of people beating the system.[/QUOTE]

That's every president, no just Obama. The IRS is a convoluted mess of a program that has ton of power that is unwarranted.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Twisp

The IRS will of course have to go to employers and collect insurance premium. They will also have to collect tax and fines from companies that don't have full State coverage and for the 4 or 8% to cover the non employees. The IRS will be the weapon to see how much money providors make and show ways they can bet the prices down. 1000 Advil wholesale to a hospital pharmacy is 5 dollars. They do not sell this quantity and package to Walmart for resale. Obama will have his people bully at every transaction. Today there was even mumbling about buying some drugs from Canada. The IRS may be needed if rationing takes place and the IRS can track people paying to reduce their wait times.
Whenever you impose severe and choking controls, there are fears of people beating the system.

That's every president, no just Obama. The IRS is a convoluted mess of a program that has ton of power that is unwarranted.[/QUOTE]

We agree!

[Walks_in_islam]

Did you know that there is medication for uncontrollable, unfounded fear and paranoia?

Hey - after the plan passes, you will probably have access to the medications that you obviously and badly need. Hopefully.

<fondly imagining coadie silently and soundlessly demonstrating the "thorazine shuffle">

Originally Posted by coadie

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

The IRS will of course have to go to employers and collect insurance premium. They will also have to collect tax and fines from companies that don't have full State coverage and for the 4 or 8% to cover the non employees. The IRS will be the weapon to see how much money providors make and show ways they can bet the prices down. 1000 Advil wholesale to a hospital pharmacy is 5 dollars. They do not sell this quantity and package to Walmart for resale. Obama will have his people bully at every transaction. Today there was even mumbling about buying some drugs from Canada. The IRS may be needed if rationing takes place and the IRS can track people paying to reduce their wait times.
Whenever you impose severe and choking controls, there are fears of people beating the system.[/QUOTE]

[simplyme]

Originally Posted by Esther

And what excuse are they using to include the IRS?

The government has used the IRS as the KGB for America to increase fear. This should not be. The IRS powers need to be reviewed and taken away. They are only supposed to be a collector of money.

AMEN!..plus its not really even Constitutional for the gov't to take
money from our wages, {don't ask why/how I have some research some
where about this, can't remember all the facts presently, I've got
to reread it}!!!!
How the gov't gets away with sooo much is beyond me
It certainly is no longer a semblance of "by the people, for the people"
perhaps not even OF "the people"..some other DARK prescence is
behind all the deceit., and no its not "conspiracy" stuff either,
(lest someone thinks or says this) I haven't read any but two posts
of this thread so far., ain't got time to read 'em all at this time.
WAKE UP AMERICA!

[coadie]

Originally Posted by simplyme

AMEN!..plus its not really even Constitutional for the gov't to take
money from our wages, {don't ask why/how I have some research some
where about this, can't remember all the facts presently, I've got
to reread it}!!!!
How the gov't gets away with sooo much is beyond me
It certainly is no longer a semblance of "by the people, for the people"
perhaps not even OF "the people"..some other DARK prescence is
behind all the deceit., and no its not "conspiracy" stuff either,
(lest someone thinks or says this) I haven't read any but two posts
of this thread so far., ain't got time to read 'em all at this time.
WAKE UP AMERICA!

IRs 17,000 pages of Tax code. Here "code" is substituted for "law".