Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit?

[Paul Harvey]

Assistant General Superintendent, Paul D Mooney (IN), last night, at the Mississippi Camp meeting(most notably known for Greg Godwin and Borat) has seemingly railed- as perceived by some of his ministerial peers who have heard this message - against the recent invitation-only ministerial fellowship meeting that took place several weeks ago in Pontiac (Detroit) Michigan asking "who holds secret meetings?"

Mooney who recently headed a committee appointed by General Superintendent Kenneth Haney called the Committee For Inquiry of the Emerging took a page from the committee's recommendation to "affirm the Apostolic doctrine and Biblical holiness positions in campmeeting and conferences throughout the UPCI" in his sermon entitled "Intentional Confrontation".

This message is hailed by some already for its aggressive defense and/or offense for "the message".

What is unclear from the tone of this message is if Mooney is in step with another committee recommendation which states: "Establish a caring atmosphere within the UPCI in which individual Pastors are encouraged to maintain Apostolic doctrine."

Mooney alludes to the actions of some brethren as "cunning","conniving", "crafting" and that God is testing the Church in these last days with "dreamers" and "false prophets".

This on the heels of his recent Twitter post the day before the Detroit meeting in which he stated: "Good things, honest things, meaningful things, positive things, pure things, ethical things, are never done in secret ..."

Last night's preaching can be accessed here. Listen attentively towards the end of his message:
http://web.me.com/scottaphillips/Sit...rontation.html

Other notable quotes towards the end of this message include:

Pentecost is at a place where you will have to have "intentional confrontation" with their children.

He refers to "people" (in this case, sons of ministers) who take churches and "destroy them" - "thieves".

"Either you stand for this or confess you are liar all your life."

To learn more about Mooney's involvement in heading the "Emerging" Committee, click here:
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=24736

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

This on the heels of his recent Twitter post the day before the Detroit meeting in which he stated: "Good things, honest things, meaningful things, positive things, pure things, ethical things, are never done in secret ..."

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"Never" is not a word to use lightly:

Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
Mat 6:4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mat 6:16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mat 6:17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
Mat 6:18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

[Parkbench]

Doesn't sound like God is going to tell Mooney to grow a beard.

[oletime]

bro mooney is one of the finest most sincere men you will ever find, he is way above reproach without question imo

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by oletime

bro mooney is one of the finest most sincere men you will ever find, he is way above reproach without question imo

He is an exceptional preacher!

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

He is an exceptional preacher!

I have generally enjoyed hearing him.

[Paul Harvey]

In linking the Emerging Church movement to the new generation of believers, even within the Apostolic church movement, Mooney speaks against those who say the Holy Ghost and water baptism is not necessary. He says of those drifting that Pentecost must come to the point to, and be prepared to, "cut it's losses".

He also links the loss of holiness and righteousness to the "dumbing down of America", and the inability to grasp "big ideas", and demonic activity.

Mooney states that one cannot go to sleep with "snakes in the house". He proclaims that false prophets "are among us."

He asks "Who are these "progressive" theologians who are wanting to lead us away from Pentecost? ... I'm not going with you!"

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

In linking the Emerging Church movement to the new generation of believers, even within the Apostolic church movement, Mooney speaks against those who say the Holy Ghost and water baptism is not necessary. He says of those drifting that Pentecost must come to the point to, and be prepared to, "cut it's losses".

He also links the loss of holiness and righteousness to the "dumbing down of America", and the inability to grasp "big ideas", and demonic activity.

Mooney states that one cannot go to sleep with "snakes in the house". He proclaims that false prophets "are among us."

He asks "Who are these "progressive" theologians who are wanting to lead us away from Pentecost? ... I'm not going with you!"

Does anyone know that the attendees of this "secret" meeting (Which apparently is not so secret anymore) are actually denying the necessity of the Holy Ghost and water baptism?

In fact, does anyone, including Bro. Mooney (A man that I highly respect, by the way) know for a fact what was discussed at this secret meeting? Was anyone involved in the bashing of these men actually at the meeting?

I have no skin in this game, since I left the UPC years ago, but it seems that there is a monumental amount of "conclusion jumping" going on here.

From what I see, it's assumed that these "daddy's boys" are going to deny Acts 2:38, lead their churches down the path of unrighteousness, pull the churches out of the organization, and even possibly become serial killers.

Not sure that's what's happening at all.

[OnTheFritz]

http://twitter.com/pauldmooney

[Paul Harvey]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

http://twitter.com/pauldmooney

When one takes the Mooney quote on the June 17th on Twitter

"Good things, honest things, meaningful things, positive things, pure things, ethical things, are never done in secret or in corners"

and his suggestion last night with his statement that the "Apostles never operated in corners" and the argument that "false prophets" will try to entice you secretly, it seems very plain to some that he seeks to paint this meeting as some clandestine demonically influenced conspiracy to overturn Pentecost and "the message".

This would appear to be very inflammatory and contentious to some considering that the lineup of the invitation only meeting in Detroit consisted of TF Tenney, Rex Johnson, and others.

One minister on a ministerial forum stated that he spoke to Mooney after this sermon and it was clear to him based on this discussion that Mooney had this meeting in his cross hairs.