Did women in biblical times wear veils?

[Justin]

I've been talking with my Pastor about uncut/cut/magic hair for a few months, and he recently gave me an article supporting uncut and magic hair. And in it, the writer states that:

"Women generally did not wear veils. In fact, it was normally prostitutes (i.e. Tamar) who wore veils in the Old Testament. The present eastern practice of women wearing veils comes from the Muslims, not from the early Christians or Jews."

I always though that if a women did not wear a veil (especially in the OT) they were considered immodest.

Any thoughts?

[LUKE2447]

do research on the need for veiling and you will get tons of info...

http://headcoverings.org/

http://thoseheadcoverings.googlepage...nheadcoverings


Here are just a couple of sites to start your own research.

Note: Veiling argument does not negate long hair argument or uncut argument but is seen or can be seen as a supplement argument for veiling.

Also uncut hair belief is not directly "magic hair" position. Don't confuse the two as they are not the same thing.

[Evang.Benincasa]

http://www.amazon.com/Roman-Wives-Wi.../dp/0802849717

The above is a very interesting book about the women of the Roman Empire during the time of Paul the apostle. In 1st Corinthians 11 it is plain that the apostle is telling the church that a woman's hair was given her for a veil.
To understand the idea of the physical veil used in the time of Paul and the apostles is to also understand why Paul brought up the point why the hair of a woman was her veil. Also that a man with long uncut hair would make him look like a female, and therefore vial and disgusting. During the first century Rome, woman were throwing off their veils as a sign of leaving their position of matriarchs, wives, and virgin daughters. Paul (Freeborn Roman) explains to the Corinthian church that it is more an issue of a woman looking and acting like a woman, than just an issue of a veil. The sign of the submissive and obedient woman would be the long unhindered growth of long hair.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[comeasyouare]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

http://www.amazon.com/Roman-Wives-Wi.../dp/0802849717

The above is a very interesting book about the women of the Roman Empire during the time of Paul the apostle. In 1st Corinthians 11 it is plain that the apostle is telling the church that a woman's hair was given her for a veil.
To understand the idea of the physical veil used in the time of Paul and the apostles is to also understand why Paul brought up the point why the hair of a woman was her veil. Also that a man with long uncut hair would make him look like a female, and therefore vial and disgusting. During the first century Rome, woman were throwing off their veils as a sign of leaving their position of matriarchs, wives, and virgin daughters. Paul (Freeborn Roman) explains to the Corinthian church that it is more an issue of a woman looking and acting like a woman, than just an issue of a veil. The sign of the submissive and obedient woman would be the long unhindered growth of long hair.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Paul did not say a woman's hair was a literal veil, or took the place of a veil, but it was LIKE a veil. It SYMBOLIZED long hair. The Apostle made a PARALLEL between having a veil hanging down the sides of the head and having long hair. Both were feminine. For a woman to go unveiled, like a man, she may as well cut her hair off like one, too. This PARALLEL is also in the writings of Plutarch and Homer, for the idea was prevalent in their culture.

The Greek word, used by the Apostle in 1 Cor. 11:15, was anti, which the UPCI says means "instead of", as found in The Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament, by Gingrich. But, on p17 of this particular dictionary the definition is stated: "for, AS, in place of." The UPCI totally leaves out "AS" when citing the definition, the one that fits the context. Always check UPCI references!

In the Greek OT anti is most often used as word of COMPARISON or EQIVALENCY, such as, "an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth." In Eph. 5 Paul uses anti to teach how a man and wife are TYPED to Christ and the Church. The anti used in v15 does not mean "instead of" but COMPARED TO. This meaning is also found in Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words "...the context shows that the "covering" provided in the long "hair" of the woman is AS a veil.." The French language "Louis Segond" Bible of 1910 translates the anti in v15: "...la chevelure lui a ete donnee comme voile," or "...the hair is give to her LIKE a veil."

Another mistake: "Long" hair does not mean "uncut" hair.

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[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by comeasyouare

Paul did not say a woman's hair was a literal veil, or took the place of a veil, but it was LIKE a veil. It SYMBOLIZED long hair. The Apostle made a PARALLEL between having a veil hanging down the sides of the head and having long hair. Both were feminine. For a woman to go unveiled, like a man, she may as well cut her hair off like one, too. This PARALLEL is also in the writings of Plutarch and Homer, for the idea was prevalent in their culture.

The Greek word, used by the Apostle in 1 Cor. 11:15, was anti, which the UPCI says means "instead of", as found in The Shorter Lexicon of the Greek New Testament, by Gingrich. But, on p17 of this particular dictionary the definition is stated: "for, AS, in place of." The UPCI totally leaves out "AS" when citing the definition, the one that fits the context. Always check UPCI references!

In the Greek OT anti is most often used as word of COMPARISON or EQIVALENCY, such as, "an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth." In Eph. 5 Paul uses anti to teach how a man and wife are TYPED to Christ and the Church. The anti used in v15 does not mean "instead of" but COMPARED TO. This meaning is also found in Strong's Expanded Dictionary of Bible Words "...the context shows that the "covering" provided in the long "hair" of the woman is AS a veil.." The French language "Louis Segond" Bible of 1910 translates the anti in v15: "...la chevelure lui a ete donnee comme voile," or "...the hair is give to her LIKE a veil."

Another mistake: "Long" hair does not mean "uncut" hair.

Visit www.studyholiness.com

Good teaching.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

do research on the need for veiling and you will get tons of info...

http://headcoverings.org/

http://thoseheadcoverings.googlepage...nheadcoverings


Here are just a couple of sites to start your own research.

Note: Veiling argument does not negate long hair argument or uncut argument but is seen or can be seen as a supplement argument for veiling.

Also uncut hair belief is not directly "magic hair" position. Don't confuse the two as they are not the same thing.

Thanks for the links. Also, I know that not all proponents for uncut hair are for magic hair.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Justin

I've been talking with my Pastor about uncut/cut/magic hair for a few months, and he recently gave me an article supporting uncut and magic hair. And in it, the writer states that:

"Women generally did not wear veils. In fact, it was normally prostitutes (i.e. Tamar) who wore veils in the Old Testament. The present eastern practice of women wearing veils comes from the Muslims, not from the early Christians or Jews."

I always though that if a women did not wear a veil (especially in the OT) they were considered immodest.

Any thoughts?

I have read a similar tact and believe it to be without basis. I believe the opposite to be true.

It was considered immodest for a woman to be seen in public without a veil.

[DividedThigh]

i believe in a woman letting her hair grow, my wifes is beautiful and symbolizes her commitment to a godly life and prayer, but i dont believe in no magic hair garbage, dt

[Sister Alvear]

is it true that pagan women also wore veils and many do until today...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

is it true that pagan women also wore veils and many do until today...

http://www.amazon.com/Roman-Wives-Wi.../dp/0802849717

Take a look Sister, it was part of the culture in the Roman Empire.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com