The Fed Printed $1.5 Trillion to Pay Debt

[deacon blues]

Last week. The reliability of the dollar is being questioned by Russia's Putin. Bernanke is trying to stimulate inflation so prices will go up. Printing money devalues the dollar, which in turn will cause foreign investment to pull out, which will cause the Fed to print more money, which in turn produces more inflation, which in turn......and on it goes until we get hyperinflation and a depression.

I am not a pessimist, but I am a realist. This is not looking good. Printing more money to pay off debt has never worked in the history of mankind. Two notable efforts in recent history is Zimbabwe, and if you have followed any news coming out of there you know what a trainwreck that one is. The other time it was done most notably was in Germany in the 30s. I have seen pictures of people burning Deutchmarks as fuel for fire to cook with because the money was so worthless. It will take wheelbarrels full of money to by a bag of groceries.

This is not looking good.

[RevDWW]

Is it just me or is that a cliff right there ahead of us?

And if it is a cliff, is our current path leading us right over the edge?

Might not be a bad time to buy that wheelbarrow.......

[Ron]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Is it just me or is that a cliff right there ahead of us?

And if it is a cliff, is our current path leading us right over the edge?

Might not be a bad time to buy that wheelbarrow.......

.....and to intercede for both Canada & the US, two nations who have been more privilidged than any other nations in history than perhaps Israel to know truth & righteousness & look what happened in 70 AD to Israel.

There is yet a remnant yet to be saved.

In the meantime, get out of debt!

[Billy Boy]

So hang onto your house even if your upside down right now because 300,000 will soon be like paying off 50,000?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Last week. The reliability of the dollar is being questioned by Russia's Putin. Bernanke is trying to stimulate inflation so prices will go up. Printing money devalues the dollar, which in turn will cause foreign investment to pull out, which will cause the Fed to print more money, which in turn produces more inflation, which in turn......and on it goes until we get hyperinflation and a depression.

I am not a pessimist, but I am a realist. This is not looking good. Printing more money to pay off debt has never worked in the history of mankind. Two notable efforts in recent history is Zimbabwe, and if you have followed any news coming out of there you know what a trainwreck that one is. The other time it was done most notably was in Germany in the 30s. I have seen pictures of people burning Deutchmarks as fuel for fire to cook with because the money was so worthless. It will take wheelbarrels full of money to by a bag of groceries.

This is not looking good.

Can you find a link that talks about this money printing? Thanks!

[RevOpinion]

Originally Posted by ILG

Can you find a link that talks about this money printing? Thanks!

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Last week. The reliability of the dollar is being questioned by Russia's Putin. Bernanke is trying to stimulate inflation so prices will go up. Printing money devalues the dollar, which in turn will cause foreign investment to pull out, which will cause the Fed to print more money, which in turn produces more inflation, which in turn......and on it goes until we get hyperinflation and a depression.

I am not a pessimist, but I am a realist. This is not looking good. Printing more money to pay off debt has never worked in the history of mankind. Two notable efforts in recent history is Zimbabwe, and if you have followed any news coming out of there you know what a trainwreck that one is. The other time it was done most notably was in Germany in the 30s. I have seen pictures of people burning Deutchmarks as fuel for fire to cook with because the money was so worthless. It will take wheelbarrels full of money to by a bag of groceries.

This is not looking good.

Mr/Ms. ILG:

If you google news on "Quantitative Easing" you might find what Mr. Deacon Blues is trying to reference. To the non-economist, quantitative easing, may appear to "printing more money", however, that would be an ill-informed rudimentary explanation.

Quantitative easing, can be defined as "the creation of a pre-determined quantity of new money 'out of thin air'[1] through open market operations by a central bank as the start of a process to increase the money supply. It can, more simply, be understood as an indirect method of printing money. This new money is injected into the private banking system when the accounts of the vendors of the securities purchased by the central bank through the open market operations are credited."

Here is a Wiki article that I hope will provide some background knowledge about the theory behind the Feds and Bernake's latest attempt to buy some time for our stagnating economy.

Also here is a youtube video that explains the practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKQP_wSO9k

Although, I agree with Mr. Blues that this is unprecedented in the U.S. and has an element of risk to creating hyperinflation; by definition it is an attempt to manipulate the "free market" by combating deflation, a problem the U.S. economy is facing. The Fed, as you may or may not know, already has it's hands in the open markets operations controlling interest rates.

It should be noted that Japan, England and the EU have utilized quantative easing in the recent past. Data is still being assessed concerning the effectiveness of this practice; some say it has helped, others say it has had a negative effect. while others say the effect is dependent of other factors.

Moreover, I do not think Mr. Blues reactionary historical comparisons of this practice are directly analogous to the actual printing of money by the Weimar Republic, post WWII, for many reasons. One reason is because this is not direct printing and another is the scope.

Germany went through its worst inflation in 1923. In 1922, the highest denomination was 50,000 Mark. By 1923, the highest denomination was 100,000,000,000,000 Mark. In December 1923 the exchange rate was 4,200,000,000,000 Marks to 1 US dollar.In 1923, the rate of inflation hit 3.25 × 106 percent per month (prices double every two days). Beginning on November 20, 1923, 1,000,000,000,000 old Marks were exchanged for 1 Rentenmark[14] so that 4.2 Rentenmarks were worth 1 US dollar, exactly the same rate the Mark had in 1914. (Wiki)

Mr. Blues' alarmist view seems to prevail and be endemic among those who have jumped on the fatalistic agenda-filled "trainwreck" bandwagon.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by RevOpinion

Mr. Blues' alarmist view seems to prevail and be endemic among those who have jumped on the fatalistic agenda-filled "trainwreck" bandwagon.

So what do you think is going to happen?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RevOpinion

Mr. Blues' alarmist view seems to prevail and be endemic among those who have jumped on the fatalistic agenda-filled "trainwreck" bandwagon.

I don't think he's entirely an "alarmist" and I probably share your views about the "fatalistic agenda-filled "trainwreck" bandwagon..." Dispensationalists must always have a Doom's Day scenario on hand to fit their needs for an "Imminent Return" and the whole Darbyist scheme.

However, with the pressures being exerted by our present One Party System of Government (The Democrat Party), we do face some real perils caused by the crazy socialist schemes.

The Great Depression became "Great" largely because the new Fed and the Treasury Department limited their responses and refused to free up the money supply when such a loosening was needed. This resulted in an almost catastrophic contraction of the U.S. economy. We weren't out of that mess until the Eisenhower administration came into office in 1953. The German experience in the 1920's probably scared them off too much. I think the Germans were primarily motivated by the unjustly large Reparations payments demanded by France at Versailles.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by RevOpinion

Mr/Ms. ILG:

If you google news on "Quantitative Easing" you might find what Mr. Deacon Blues is trying to reference. To the non-economist, quantitative easing, may appear to "printing more money", however, that would be an ill-informed rudimentary explanation.

Quantitative easing, can be defined as "the creation of a pre-determined quantity of new money 'out of thin air'[1] through open market operations by a central bank as the start of a process to increase the money supply. It can, more simply, be understood as an indirect method of printing money. This new money is injected into the private banking system when the accounts of the vendors of the securities purchased by the central bank through the open market operations are credited."

Here is a Wiki article that I hope will provide some background knowledge about the theory behind the Feds and Bernake's latest attempt to buy some time for our stagnating economy.

Also here is a youtube video that explains the practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKQP_wSO9k

Although, I agree with Mr. Blues that this is unprecedented in the U.S. and has an element of risk to creating hyperinflation; by definition it is an attempt to manipulate the "free market" by combating deflation, a problem the U.S. economy is facing. The Fed, as you may or may not know, already has it's hands in the open markets operations controlling interest rates.

It should be noted that Japan, England and the EU have utilized quantative easing in the recent past. Data is still being assessed concerning the effectiveness of this practice; some say it has helped, others say it has had a negative effect. while others say the effect is dependent of other factors.

Moreover, I do not think Mr. Blues reactionary historical comparisons of this practice are directly analogous to the actual printing of money by the Weimar Republic, post WWII, for many reasons. One reason is because this is not direct printing and another is the scope.

Germany went through its worst inflation in 1923. In 1922, the highest denomination was 50,000 Mark. By 1923, the highest denomination was 100,000,000,000,000 Mark. In December 1923 the exchange rate was 4,200,000,000,000 Marks to 1 US dollar.In 1923, the rate of inflation hit 3.25 × 106 percent per month (prices double every two days). Beginning on November 20, 1923, 1,000,000,000,000 old Marks were exchanged for 1 Rentenmark[14] so that 4.2 Rentenmarks were worth 1 US dollar, exactly the same rate the Mark had in 1914. (Wiki)

Mr. Blues' alarmist view seems to prevail and be endemic among those who have jumped on the fatalistic agenda-filled "trainwreck" bandwagon.

That was interesting. Thank you.

[tbpew]

What did Russia do in the post Soviet Union phase? I thought Roubles were kind of "junk currency" for many years (now trade at 26/dollar).

Maybe all we need to do is develop our considerable oil and natural gas resources. Seems like we need to have more stuff that is REAL that other people want to buy. Maybe what should happen is people who want to block the US from producing its own energy needs should NOT BE PERMITED to own an air conditioner (unless they are being treated for Asthma).

But hey, if we all end up:
riding the bus
having one car
eating at home
dropping cable

we might really re-connect with our families and neighbors.