Conservatives and Traditionalists Is this as Good as it Gets!

[Pastor Keith]

I have a question for those who espouse to the tried and true ways, is this model and philosophy the best way to organize and structure ministry in the church body?

You can see by the pictures that there are inherent weaknesses, are you willing to change the way you do ministry or do you believe that they way you do it is the very best?

What keeps you from changing how you do church?



Traditional Church Model and Structure



The Current Church Growth Model and Structure



Comparing the Today's Church Structure and Philosophy with the NT Model and Pattern

[Pastor Keith]

Bump!!!

Come on Epley, Coonskinner, RFORD, Whole Hearted, Old Paths etc.

What say ye?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Bump!!!

Come on Epley, Coonskinner, RFORD, Whole Hearted, Old Paths etc.

What say ye?

Keith,

Your model is not totally typical of every assmebly on either side of the equation. All we can really do is speak hypothetically. You may be asking some of us the question who understand a healthy congregation may well be a blending of the two systems you put forth.

[rrford]

Upon further review of your "system" I think you have written it to portray the traditional church the way you would like folks to view it that you are trying to sell the "house church" concept to. Your equations are actually pretty far off base.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by rrford

Upon further review of your "system" I think you have written it to portray the traditional church the way you would like folks to view it that you are trying to sell the "house church" concept to. Your equations are actually pretty far off base.

What percentage do you see as "willing" to be used in ministry in the traditional church model?

It is not far from 10% usually.

I know of a church that had near 2000 in attendance last week. They did have 200 involved in outreach through the week.

Seems 200 divided by 2000 is on target to Keith's illustration.

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

What percentage do you see as "willing" to be used in ministry in the traditional church model?

It is not far from 10% usually.

I know of a church that had near 2000 in attendance last week. They did have 200 involved in outreach through the week.

Seems 200 divided by 2000 is on target to Keith's illustration.

This is so true as a pastor I would love to see more involved in various ministries of the church but there are those who just dont want to commit to any area of the church work.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

What percentage do you see as "willing" to be used in ministry in the traditional church model?

It is not far from 10% usually.

I know of a church that had near 2000 in attendance last week. They did have 200 involved in outreach through the week.

Seems 200 divided by 2000 is on target to Keith's illustration.

It seems you are limiting involvement to outreach only. I do believe in most churches that the percentage of folks "involved" in the church exceeds 10%.

This whole thing will be somewhat ambiguous because it will be near impossible to single out every factor and come to a reasonbale singular conclusion on each oissue.

I do think we would all agree that the church must work harder to involve more of the body in the ministry of/to the body.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

Upon further review of your "system" I think you have written it to portray the traditional church the way you would like folks to view it that you are trying to sell the "house church" concept to. Your equations are actually pretty far off base.

You disagree with idea that the current church doesnt look like the way that the chart pictured it.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

You disagree with idea that the current church doesnt look like the way that the chart pictured it.

No, I do not think it looks like the way you indicated on the chart. Are there some similarities? Yes.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rrford

Keith,

Your model is not totally typical of every assmebly on either side of the equation. All we can really do is speak hypothetically. You may be asking some of us the question who understand a healthy congregation may well be a blending of the two systems you put forth.

I think if we are honest the model/blue print that we all been handed is far from the NT norm, I just want to know we push as being a restorational church in doctrine but how come most pastors/leaders still embrace a model that really doesnt release people into ministry, doesn't produce a high quality disciple and in essence makes saints to be good church members but far from a powerful witness for Jesus Christ.