Casting out demons = salvation???

[Trouvere]

This may sound crazy but I just left a fast food restaurant after having met someone who has a website dealing with demons and busting them. I was interested in what he held as salvation. He believed all you had to do to be saved was believe. No repentance, no Holy Spirit, No Jesus Name etc. He then refused to discuss the bible scriptures concerning salvation and could not show me any. His main argument was that because he cast out devils that he must be saved. I took the chance of being knocked one when I told him I did not believe he was biblically saved. I had to. Here is a man who is going around from church to church and playing with a multitude of snakes. He was sitting down at our table telling us in the presence of our children that Christians have no protection against devils and that we all have some. Sorry but I disagree with that totally. Has anyone else encountered such a person? BTW he said that he was never able to minister to anyone like me who believed baptism in Jesus Name to be bible. He got mad and left the restaurant sadly. I did not mean to anger him but he sat there refusing to even look into the possibility that he may not have the truth. I felt all he did was focus on the devil hence the name d busters.etc.
any thoughts?

[Elizabeth]

I think he needs help-

We one time had a woman, that was baptized in one of the churches we pastored, get mixed up in a group that primarily focused on demon deliverance- they were like a catholic group.

Well they kept casting devils out of her, and she kept going back to them to be delivered of this or that.

She was already a little mentally unstable and became even more so after encountering this group.

To me, if he can not even stand to discuss scripture, could he possibly be oppressed himself?

idk, But you have to really know what you believe if you are going to be casting out devils. the devil is such a deceiver he can mess someone up really bad if they do not know what they are doing or do not know the bible very well. PLUS you should be under the authority of someone, a pastor, a bishop--if someone can not come under authority imo they have no authority!

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

PLUS you should be under the authority of someone, a pastor, a bishop--if someone can not come under authority imo they have no authority!

And where did you read that in the Bible. I see all kinds of believers under so-called authority and they never cast out any devils and there pastors/bishops etc aren't either.
I was fed alot of this so-called authority/obedience/you gotta be under someone or else your not under proper spiritual protection or your cursed kind of claptrap for many years.....and church membership in the sense of "joining a church" or being a part of one local body of believers exclusively is NOT scriptural either.
It's these kinds of traditions of men that open up God's people to oppressive spirits. Officially joining a church or being "under somebody" doesn't make you free or more blessed or more effective in ministry or more "In line with the Word" than someone who you think is not under authority(whatever that means!!!).

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by IsolatedSaint

And where did you read that in the Bible. I see all kinds of believers under so-called authority and they never cast out any devils and there pastors/bishops etc aren't either.
I was fed alot of this so-called authority/obedience/you gotta be under someone or else your not under proper spiritual protection or your cursed kind of claptrap for many years.....and church membership in the sense of "joining a church" or being a part of one local body of believers exclusively is NOT scriptural either.
It's these kinds of traditions of men that open up God's people to oppressive spirits. Officially joining a church or being "under somebody" doesn't make you free or more blessed or more effective in ministry or more "In line with the Word" than someone who you think is not under authority(whatever that means!!!).

My good wife was dealing with the subject matter of if you want to give orders you must be able to take orders. That is the root of spiritual authority. Yes spiritual authority is more than who you submit yourself to, but it is part of the equation.

The scripture in question is Matthew 8:8-13

8 The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! 11 And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jeanie

PLUS you should be under the authority of someone, a pastor, a bishop--if someone can not come under authority imo they have no authority!

Sister Jeanie, how about Jesus Christ? You think maybe if you are under His authority you might be able to hail a cab in Brooklyn?

Luke 10:17 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through THY NAME."

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sister Jeanie, how about Jesus Christ? You think maybe if you are under His authority you might be able to hail a cab in Brooklyn?

Luke 10:17 "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through THY NAME."

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Do you believe in disconnected believers, who have no relationship with any other member of the body? We are called to body life, significant spiritual authority flows through body life. Yes, any individual believer using their spiritual authority can cast out demons, but any believer refusing to submit and walk in fellowship with other believers will eventually run out of spiritual life and energy and become illegitimate authority.

[IsolatedSaint]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Do you believe in disconnected believers, who have no relationship with any other member of the body? We are called to body life, significant spiritual authority flows through body life. Yes, any individual believer using their spiritual authority can cast out demons, but any believer refusing to submit and walk in fellowship with other believers will eventually run out of spiritual life and energy and become illegitimate authority.

You talk as though there is an abundance of qualified spiritual authority around everywhere. And there's is just too much error and traditions of men in overabundance that I have found it more profitable for me to maintain a sort of stand offish attitude towards the local churches in my area. It's not that we don't want to "walk in fellowship with other believers" or be disconnected. Quite the contrary, but I'm tired of the same old same old in what passes off as local church life and being around a bunch of people that really don't want any thing to do with you anyway. Walking in fellowship with other believers means more than just attending church services and posturing in the form of "officially joining a church".

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

This may sound crazy but I just left a fast food restaurant after having met someone who has a website dealing with demons and busting them. I was interested in what he held as salvation. He believed all you had to do to be saved was believe. No repentance, no Holy Spirit, No Jesus Name etc. He then refused to discuss the bible scriptures concerning salvation and could not show me any. His main argument was that because he cast out devils that he must be saved. I took the chance of being knocked one when I told him I did not believe he was biblically saved. I had to. Here is a man who is going around from church to church and playing with a multitude of snakes. He was sitting down at our table telling us in the presence of our children that Christians have no protection against devils and that we all have some. Sorry but I disagree with that totally. Has anyone else encountered such a person? BTW he said that he was never able to minister to anyone like me who believed baptism in Jesus Name to be bible. He got mad and left the restaurant sadly. I did not mean to anger him but he sat there refusing to even look into the possibility that he may not have the truth. I felt all he did was focus on the devil hence the name d busters.etc.
any thoughts?

Was his name Bob?

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

This may sound crazy but I just left a fast food restaurant after having met someone who has a website dealing with demons and busting them. I was interested in what he held as salvation. He believed all you had to do to be saved was believe. No repentance, no Holy Spirit, No Jesus Name etc. He then refused to discuss the bible scriptures concerning salvation and could not show me any. His main argument was that because he cast out devils that he must be saved. I took the chance of being knocked one when I told him I did not believe he was biblically saved. I had to. Here is a man who is going around from church to church and playing with a multitude of snakes. He was sitting down at our table telling us in the presence of our children that Christians have no protection against devils and that we all have some. Sorry but I disagree with that totally. Has anyone else encountered such a person? BTW he said that he was never able to minister to anyone like me who believed baptism in Jesus Name to be bible. He got mad and left the restaurant sadly. I did not mean to anger him but he sat there refusing to even look into the possibility that he may not have the truth. I felt all he did was focus on the devil hence the name d busters.etc.
any thoughts?

No, I have never meet one as such. Several thoughts come to mind.

Acts 19
13Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
14And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
15And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
16And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

Acts 16
16And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

Also having trouble finding the scripture of the man wanting to buy the power. I beleive it is in Acts also.

[jimmyrrs]

Other scripture is Acts 8
18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.