Ok, this is mainly a question for three-steppers like myself.
What MUST someone believe, in addition to repentance of sins and dead works, baptism in the name of JESUS Christ and HG infilling with speaking in tongues?
Does someone have to believe the oneness of GOD?
Does someone have to believe in baptism for the remission of sins (this would cut out some apostolics who believe they are saved at believing the Gospel)?
Does someone have to believe in the resurrection of the dead?
I ask this because there are some who are baptized with JESUS name spoken over them (like I was in the AG church) but those people don't even know what JESUS baptism means. Also, there are some who would still call themselves trinitatians, but they would see JESUS name baptism clearly in Scripture and be baptized in an apostolic assembly.
Yes, John 8:24, but if a trinitarian can't explain the oneness, but says, "I believe JESUS is GOD, and I want to be baptized in JESUS' name because I see it in the Scriptures." Should we baptize them? Are they saved?
Yes, John 8:24, but if a trinitarian can't explain the oneness, but says, "I believe JESUS is GOD, and I want to be baptized in JESUS' name because I see it in the Scriptures." Should we baptize them? Are they saved?
-Bro. Alex
yes
We see through a glass darkly. I have heard some people who were proclammed trinitarians proclaim a better definition of the oneness of God then oneness people.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
Yes, John 8:24, but if a trinitarian can't explain the oneness, but says, "I believe JESUS is GOD, and I want to be baptized in JESUS' name because I see it in the Scriptures." Should we baptize them? Are they saved?
-Bro. Alex
I don't know if you thought I am atrinitarian or not.In any case I believe in Baptism in Jesus name and being filled with the Holy Ghost [Speaking in tounges],However I believe Salvation begins in the Heart a change in heart gets one to the point of baptism and infilling of the Spirit.
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Yes, John 8:24, but if a trinitarian can't explain the oneness, but says, "I believe JESUS is GOD, and I want to be baptized in JESUS' name because I see it in the Scriptures." Should we baptize them? Are they saved?
-Bro. Alex
I didn't know what trinity or oneness was when I was baptized.
Do you say "WE" as in all of us? or just generalizing? =)
You are right. There are plenty out there that do make it difficult. That is why it seems to take forever for someone to be "filled" with the Holy Ghost in their churches. (or should I say that is why it takes forever for someone to speak in tongues in their churches)
Alex, I firmly believe in the Water/Spirit doctrine. but I think there is seperation between what one must believe and what one must do to appropreate the gift of salvation.
Jesus said that we must believe that He is the Christ. (Jn 8:24, Ro 10:9)
Everything starts with the belief in the Gospel message of the death, buriel and resurection of Jesus Christ.
But we all (trinitarian and OP alike) believe that something must be done to appropreate the gift of salvation. For a baptist or a PCI OP, you believe you must repent.
W/S people like us believe that one must be Repent, be Baptized in Jesus name and recieve the Holy Ghost.
So my answer is one must believe that Jesus is THE Christ. and all who beleive this must experience Acts 2:38 to be saved.
Any PCI believer who has experienced Acts 2:38 is as saved as I am. period. I would say the same for any trinitarian.
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The New Birth experience is where someone enters the Kingdom of God. At that point they are "initially" saved. However, they must continue on to know the Lord, and endure to the end (their death or His coming) to have "well done" stated to them. Anything less than the finish line is not a win.
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