Hasn't forms of socialism been going on for decades in the U.S.? I mean for as long as I remember people who've paid nothing in have gotten benefits and handouts funded by tax payers.
Why suddenly is it such an outrage? Is it only because it could effect the wealthy in Obama's proposal?
All of this sudden outrage is a little strange.
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Hasn't forms of socialism been going on for decades in the U.S.? I mean for as long as I remember people who've paid nothing in have gotten benefits and handouts funded by tax payers.
Why suddenly is it such an outrage? Is it only because it could effect the wealthy in Obama's proposal?
All of this sudden outrage is a little strange.
You better do your homework. Obama's plan will affect almost everyone that pays taxes.
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Hasn't forms of socialism been going on for decades in the U.S.? I mean for as long as I remember people who've paid nothing in have gotten benefits and handouts funded by tax payers.
Why suddenly is it such an outrage? Is it only because it could effect the wealthy in Obama's proposal?
All of this sudden outrage is a little strange.
We have a moral obligation to help those who can't help themselves
(handicap, elderly, retired vets, deserted mother, etc)
It's the FORCED redistribution of wealth that is dangerous.
And redistributed to WHO??? Often it's to those who only want
a free handout.
Do you want your hard earned money given to those types
or to your own kids for college, or to build your business,etc ???
We have a moral obligation to help those who can't help themselves
(handicap, elderly, retired vets, deserted mother, etc)
It's the FORCED redistribution of wealth that is dangerous.
And redistributed to WHO??? Often it's to those who only want
a free handout.
Do you want your hard earned money given to those types
or to your own kids for college, or to build your business,etc ???
When Bill Clinton raised the $250K and above crowds tax level up to 39%, I don't remember all of this boogie man socialism stuff. When GWB took office, he then lowered the $250K and above tax level back to 36%, it's pre-Clinton level.
Now Obama is proposing that rate be moved back up to the Clinton level of 39%, and now the uggie boogie socialists are forcing wealth redistribution on all of us. Why wasn't any of this brought up 16 years ago if the threats so real?
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When Bill Clinton raised the $250K and above crowds tax level up to 39%, I don't remember all of this boogie man socialism stuff. When GWB took office, he then lowered the $250K and above tax level back to 36%, it's pre-Clinton level.
Now Obama is proposing that rate be moved back up to the Clinton level of 39%, and now the uggie boogie socialists are forcing wealth redistribution on all of us. Why wasn't any of this brought up 16 years ago if the threats so real?
Mike, you are either uninformed about the truth or you are purposely oversimplifying the obvious in order to dilute the problem BO has created for himself by telling Joe the Plumber he wanted to spread the wealth.
Obama embraces an ideology of wealth redistribution that goes farther than New Deal socialism. His recently revealed radio interview from 2001 in which he talks about "redistributive" opportunities missed during the civil rights movement. Its an agenda to take more from those who are successful, from those who are the main job creators, from those who invest into the businesses and companies that invent, that innovate, and that produce the products that make our economy competitive and progressive.
When BO says "I am going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut" he is not painting a full picture. 40% of Americans don't pay ANY taxes. He will give them basically free handouts, cutting them a check like a tax rebate, using the money taken from real tax payers (middle class and upper class).
BO says $250,000 and up will be the only ones who pay taxes. Then in a tv ad he says $200,000. Biden in an interview the other day said $150,000. The appearance that a hidden agenda is there is what has many people concerned. Obama's strong ties to very left leaning people and organizations along with his most liberal Senator status, recently voting to raise taxes on people making $42,000, and his "spread the wealth" response to Joe the Plumber makes labeling him a socialist and his policies socialism not so strange.
Its not "sudden outrage" (a nice attempt to obfuscate), its calling it what it is.
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Its not "sudden outrage" (a nice attempt to obfuscate), its calling it what it is.
Thank you.
Besides, Obama would be the first US president to have openly associated with Socialists as much as he has done. And it dates back to his youth, as he himself admits in his book:
Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days:
Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college.
Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.
But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.
Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."
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The way to help out the disadvantaged (except those with mental and physical disabilities) is to teach them to fish instead of giving them a fish.
I'm for the government paying for less fortunate to attend schools, colleges and trade schools to learn a profitable trade or life skill for advancement.
Teach them to fish and you feed them for life!
Wait a minute! They already have some of these benefits! Maybe we should pay as long as they don't flunk. Maintaining a "B" average is asking too much!
Maybe class attendance shouldn't be a requirement. Come on......classes meeting before noon isn't fair to people who like to party every night!
Maybe we should give them a college degree for just trying!
If everybody was mandated to have an equal college degree, then eferyone would have an equal chance for employment. The government could require employers to pick their employees by random drawing. All promotions would also by by random drawing of names.
The Utopia of equal wealth can indeed be achieved! We'll ALL be poor!!!
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Besides, Obama would be the first US president to have openly associated with Socialists as much as he has done. And it dates back to his youth, as he himself admits in his book:
Obama Affinity to Marxists Dates Back to College Days:
Barack Obama shrugs off charges of socialism, but noted in his own memoir that he carefully chose Marxist professors as friends in college.
Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.
But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.
Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."
Great post TR. Of course you muddy the issue with FACTS in Obama's own words. Funny how MikeinAR and 1399 fail to even acknowledge let alone respond to FACTS that fly in the face of this curious amazement at this "sudden rage" about charges of socialism/marxism. Obama's socialist/marxist leanings are well documented and apparent.
One will find it hard to see what is obvious to everyone else when one's head is buried deep in the sand.
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Mike, you are either uninformed about the truth or you are purposely oversimplifying the obvious in order to dilute the problem BO has created for himself by telling Joe the Plumber he wanted to spread the wealth.
Obama embraces an ideology of wealth redistribution that goes farther than New Deal socialism. His recently revealed radio interview from 2001 in which he talks about "redistributive" opportunities missed during the civil rights movement. Its an agenda to take more from those who are successful, from those who are the main job creators, from those who invest into the businesses and companies that invent, that innovate, and that produce the products that make our economy competitive and progressive.
When BO says "I am going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut" he is not painting a full picture. 40% of Americans don't pay ANY taxes. He will give them basically free handouts, cutting them a check like a tax rebate, using the money taken from real tax payers (middle class and upper class).
BO says $250,000 and up will be the only ones who pay taxes. Then in a tv ad he says $200,000. Biden in an interview the other day said $150,000. The appearance that a hidden agenda is there is what has many people concerned. Obama's strong ties to very left leaning people and organizations along with his most liberal Senator status, recently voting to raise taxes on people making $42,000, and his "spread the wealth" response to Joe the Plumber makes labeling him a socialist and his policies socialism not so strange.
Its not "sudden outrage" (a nice attempt to obfuscate), its calling it what it is.
So if I'm to understand you correctly DB, this is the first time in your memory that a person who does NOT pay taxes in, will be eligible for a tax refund from money they didn't contribute too? Is that what you're claiming? This is some kind of new fangled policy initiative from BO?
Just to be clear, I'm not defending BO. The man has said in his own words that he supports wealth redistribution in some forms and fashions. There's no argument there. I'm personally opposed to wealth redistribution. I just think it's completely hypocritical of Republicans to suddenly pretend to be outraged over "socialism", when in fact, they've supported socialists tendenices as well.
My personal belief is that this BO $1000 tax credit to people who don't pay taxes isn't anything new on the block. If you listen to right wing hacks and their fear mongering, you'd believe this is some new ideal that will translate into this country being full fledged socialist within 4 years and that's just silly.
In case they've all been under rocks for the last 40 years, we've had forms of socialism FROM BOTH PARTIES mind you, being peddled out of Washington D.C. I'm glad that suddenly we have a great sense of false outrage about it.
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