Martin Luther on Christian Baptism: IT SAVES!!!!!!

[mizpeh]

Written by DaveC: Here's what Martin Luther (you know, the guy whose battle cry was "the just shall live by faith!!!") had to say about baptism (taken from his Large Catechism):

"Thus, and much more even, you must honor Baptism and esteem it glorious on account of the Word, since He Himself has honored it both by words and deeds; moreover, confirmed it with miracles from heaven. For do you think it was a jest that, when Christ was baptized, the heavens were opened and the Holy Ghost descended visibly, and everything was divine glory and majesty?

Therefore I exhort again that these two, the water and the Word, by no means be separated from one another and parted. For if the Word is separated from it, the water is the same as that with which the servant cooks, and may indeed be called a bath-keeper's baptism. But when it is added, as God has ordained, it is a Sacrament, and is called Christ-baptism. Let this be the first part regarding the essence and dignity of the holy Sacrament.

In the second place, since we know now what Baptism is, and how it is to be regarded, we must also learn why and for what purpose it is instituted; that is, what it profits, gives and works. And this also we cannot discern better than from the words of Christ above quoted:

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.”(Mark 16:16)

Therefore, state it most simply thus, that the power, work, profit, fruit, and end of Baptism is this, namely, to save. For no one is baptized in order that he may become a prince, but, as the words declare, that he be saved. But to be saved, we know, is nothing else than to be delivered from sin, death, and the devil, and to enter into the kingdom of Christ, and to live with Him forever. Here you see again how highly and precious we should esteem Baptism, because in it we obtain such an unspeakable treasure, which also indicates sufficiently that it cannot be ordinary mere water.

For mere water could not do such a thing, but the Word does it, and (as said above) the fact that the name of God is comprehended therein. But where the name of God is, there must be also life and salvation, that it may indeed be called a divine, blessed, fruitful, and gracious water; for by the Word such power is imparted to Baptism that it is a laver of regeneration, as St. Paul also calls it. (Titus 3:5.)

But as our would-be wise, new spirits assert that faith alone saves, and that works and external things avail nothing, we answer: It is true, indeed, that nothing in us is of any avail but faith, as we shall hear still further. But these blind guides are unwilling to see this, namely, that faith must have something which it believes, that is, of which it takes hold, and upon which it stands and rests. Thus faith clings to the water, and believes that it is Baptism, in which there is pure salvation and life; not through the water (as we have sufficiently stated), but through the fact that it is embodied in the Word and institution of God, and the name of God inheres in it.

Now, if I believe this, what else is it than believing in God as in Him who has given and planted His Word into this ordinance, and proposes to us this external thing wherein we may apprehend such a treasure? Now, they are so mad as to separate faith and that to which faith clings and is bound, though it be something external. Yea, it shall and must be something external, that it may be apprehended by the senses, and understood and thereby be brought into the heart, as indeed the entire Gospel is an external, verbal preaching.

In short, what God does and works in us He proposes to work through such external ordinances. Wherever, therefore, He speaks, yea, in whichever direction or by whatever means He speaks, thither faith must look, and to that it must hold. Now here we have the words: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.” To what else do they refer than to Baptism, that is, to the water comprehended in God's ordinance? Hence it follows that whoever rejects Baptism rejects the Word of God, faith, and Christ, who directs us thither and binds us to Baptism.

In the third place since we have learned the great benefit and power of Baptism, let us see further who is the person that receives what Baptism gives and profits. This is again most beautifully and clearly expressed in the words: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. That is, faith alone makes the person worthy to receive profitably the saving, divine water. For, since these blessings are here presented and promised in the words in and with the water, they cannot be received in any other way than by believing them with the heart. Without faith it profits nothing, notwithstanding it is in itself a divine superabundant treasure. Therefore this single word (He that believeth) effects this much that it excludes and repels all works which we can do, in the opinion that we obtain and merit salvation by them. For it is determined that whatever is not faith avails nothing nor receives anything.
But if they say, as they are accustomed: Still Baptism is itself a work, and you say works are of no avail for salvation; what then, becomes of faith? Answer: Yes, our works, indeed, avail nothing for salvation; Baptism, however, is not our work, but God's (for, as was stated, you must put Christ-baptism far away from a bath-keeper's baptism). God's works, however, are saving and necessary for salvation, and do not exclude, but demand, faith; for without faith they could not be apprehended. For by suffering the water to be poured upon you, you have not yet received Baptism in such a manner that it benefits you anything; but it becomes beneficial to you if you have yourself baptized with the thought that this is according to God's command and ordinance, and besides in God's name, in order that you may receive in the water the promised salvation. Now, this the fist cannot do, nor the body; but the heart must believe it.

Thus you see plainly that there is here no work done by us, but a treasure which He gives us, and which faith apprehends; just as the Lord Jesus Christ upon the cross is not a work, but a treasure comprehended in the Word, and offered to us and received by faith. Therefore they do us violence by exclaiming against us as though we preach against faith; while we alone insist upon it as being of such necessity that without it nothing can be received nor enjoyed."

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Written by DaveC: Here's what Martin Luther (you know, the guy whose battle cry was "the just shall live by faith!!!") had to say about baptism (taken from his Large Catechism):

Please delete this thread before Adino reads it he might commit suicide.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Please delete this thread before Adino reads it he might commit suicide.

Hee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Steve Epley]

Shocked I say I am shocked and all this time I thought Maple Leaf was a con like us?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Shocked I say I am shocked and all this time I thought Maple Leaf was a con like us?

I find it funny that Bro. Epley is rejoicing over this from Luther as he believed Luther was a False Prophet

I suppose if Luther is supporting an Epley doctrine.. he is now a credible source

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I find it funny that Bro. Epley is rejoicing over this from Luther as he believed Luther was a False Prophet

I suppose if Luther is supporting an Epley doctrine.. he is now a credible source

Who? Luther or Epley?

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Please delete this thread before Adino reads it he might commit suicide.

Sorry, Steve, no suicidal tendencies as of yet. Someone's got to hang around and check your Catholicized heresy

[Nahum]

Excellent find Mizpeh!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Excellent find Mizpeh!

I found it on CARM quoted by one of the best Oneness and New Birth apologists I have read online. He's also a member here but doesn't post much. DaveC519.


http://www.christiandiscussionforums...23#post3272123

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I found it on CARM quoted by one of the best Oneness and New Birth apologists I have read online. He's also a member here but doesn't post much. DaveC519.


http://www.christiandiscussionforums...23#post3272123

I thought I knew you from CARM. Though I never post in the Oneness forum. Very interesting reading on that site if you want to cross study many different beliefs.

Reason I don't go to the Oneness forum. Very little depth to the discussion and Trinitarians can't face the fact they believe in three God's. They get ticked when you break down all the mumbo jumbo and get to brass tacks they believe in three God no matter how hard they try to force 3 into one.

"we just simply can't understand it"

They use illogical reasoning based on a rational world and use unscriptural means to prove God can be three in one and still can't do it and throw up there hands and say it takes faith. Buti f you don't believe in that convoluted mess you are a heretic though they can't explain it.

As I have said before the only reason tehy are in the situation they are in is because they tried to force a tritheistic pagan concept into a monotheistic religion for it to be acceptable and you have the mess they call Trinitarianism. Hey but don't point out the facts they get mad.