To all of the wonderful friends and foes who post on this forum.... I want to say first of all how sorry I am if my words have offended either of you. I suppose out here you feel more at liberty to let your expressions lose since there is no personal interaction, there's no facial expressions to tell when you have hurt someone, there's no fear of having to interact with that person in the future and thus you're not as careful in the way you speak.....
I would like for this board to know... one minute with me in person and you and I would be friends for life. Anyone who has ever met me will tell you there is not a time when my smile is not from ear to ear, making everyone laugh and keeping peoples Spirits high... I love people, I love Gods church and most importantly I love God.
Here is my question..... If someone like myself is a Fundametalist.. and what I mean by that is, we take a very literal interpretation of Gods Word.. we don't do well with "We'll it really means this or that or in the original it doesn't mean that.. we find safety in taking as much of the Word at face value as possible... and if by chance we have it wrong.. we feel facing God without Greek or Hebrew knowledge would not be counted against us.....
Rather than try to find ways "Around" the Word... I am one who feels safe in reading the WORD and living it exactly as I read it... I am not condoning ignorance.. education is something I preach and believe in vehemntly.. but sometimes I do wonder if "much learning has not made us mad."
Now, my question for this board.... why is it that if someone like me who is very fundamental is so reviled? I realize my opinions are contrary to the mainstream but is was not so just years ago with my forefather.....
Had I made these statements just 30 years ago
A woman should not preach
Men should not remarry if they are divorced
Women should not cut their hair
my statements would have been in accordance with the times... but of course now in this age those statements are considered mean and unmerciful
When it comes to the marriage issue,, it is not easy for me to make the stand I do... My father is on his 4th, my mother is on her 3rd, my grandmother is on her 2nd and I was ALMOST on my 2nd... before I heard a man of God preach on the issue of Marriage and Divorce.. before that time I TRULY did not have a strong biblical foundation on the issue....
I made my stand after much study and soul searching..... for me to tell you that I believe my own Father is in sin.. is NOT EASY...... but I feel compelled to face God with a clear conscience that I said it AS I SAW IT...
If God is going to judge us by obeying what we read or obeying what we should have known the Passage REALLY MEANT.. will we not all be in trouble?
Again.,,, why is there no more room in the kingdom for men such as myself who believe in MERCY.. were it not for his mercy I would on my way to hell in a hurry... I LOVE MERCY I believe IN MERCY but I do not believe that MERCY is a LICENSE to deliberately disobey Gods Word.....
For the record.. if a man and woman has remarried,, I would always counsel them to remain as you are.... but with the knowledge you now have you must NEVER REMARRy.... Is that being cruel? Is that being hateful? or is that being faithful to Gods Word....
I bless all of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What's the greek word for HOG!
Is this Damage Control?
PRAX, I am breaking a promise here as I promised not to respond anymore.. I ask for your forgiveness for breaking this promise.. but in the Spirit of this thread I will gladly respond.
May I please clear the air about the whole hog incidence? Would you allow me the chance,,,thanks
In speaking to someone about Pentecostal services where flesh is out of control, people are losing control of themselves.. I simply said.. I do not believe that type of service is accepted or advocated in the NT..... then someone tells me "Well. you will preach in those churches" as if to say I was being hypocritical for preaching in Pentecostal churches..... I gave them a ONE SENTENCE response that I should have elaborated on more....
I referred to my belief that if a Catholic Church invited me to preach today I WOULD GO as adamant as I am against the Catholic Church.. WHY? Because "I would preach in a hogpen. doesn't mean I will become a Hog"
In No way did I mean to call the Pentecostal church HOGS...I was trying to illustrate a point.. that I can preach anywhere and not take on their beliefs or nature......
IF the Baptist church invited me today.. I would go but I wouldnt become a baptist..... I preach for many Pentecostal because we agree on soooo many things from the Godhead, baptism, Receiving the Holy Ghost,, Holiness but it doesnt mean I have to become a Pentecostal for doing so.....
Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
PRAX, I am breaking a promise here as I promised not to respond anymore.. I ask for your forgiveness for breaking this promise.. but in the Spirit of this thread I will gladly respond.
May I please clear the air about the whole hog incidence? Would you allow me the chance,,,thanks
In speaking to someone about Pentecostal services where flesh is out of control, people are losing control of themselves.. I simply said.. I do not believe that type of service is accepted or advocated in the NT..... then someone tells me "Well. you will preach in those churches" as if to say I was being hypocritical for preaching in Pentecostal churches..... I gave them a ONE SENTENCE response that I should have elaborated on more....
I referred to my belief that if a Catholic Church invited me to preach today I WOULD GO as adamant as I am against the Catholic Church.. WHY? Because "I would preach in a hogpen. doesn't mean I will become a Hog"
In No way did I mean to call the Pentecostal church HOGS...I was trying to illustrate a point.. that I can preach anywhere and not take on their beliefs or nature......
IF the Baptist church invited me today.. I would go but I wouldnt become a baptist..... I preach for many Pentecostal because we agree on soooo many things from the Godhead, baptism, Receiving the Holy Ghost,, Holiness but it doesnt mean I have to become a Pentecostal for doing so.....
Im glad you finally explained that. You don't feel that some of your posts have been abrasive? You know that works both ways. It's not poor little you posting on your favorite topics and then us getting mad because you are a fundie and we are not. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to say. I tried to engage you before and I cast no insults, but you just ignored post after post after post. Finally you made light of me trying to get you to respond and then you said I was to aggressive.
Dr I can and am willing to take you on any topic, but as long as there are no personal attacks and as long as you actually address my points or counter points. Im not angry over serpent seed, but I think it is false doctrine. I don't have to be angry or disgusted in order to find that something is unbiblical
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
To all of the wonderful friends and foes who post on this forum.... I want to say first of all how sorry I am if my words have offended either of you. I suppose out here you feel more at liberty to let your expressions lose since there is no personal interaction, there's no facial expressions to tell when you have hurt someone, there's no fear of having to interact with that person in the future and thus you're not as careful in the way you speak.....
I would like for this board to know... one minute with me in person and you and I would be friends for life. Anyone who has ever met me will tell you there is not a time when my smile is not from ear to ear, making everyone laugh and keeping peoples Spirits high... I love people, I love Gods church and most importantly I love God.
Here is my question..... If someone like myself is a Fundametalist.. and what I mean by that is, we take a very literal interpretation of Gods Word.. we don't do well with "We'll it really means this or that or in the original it doesn't mean that.. we find safety in taking as much of the Word at face value as possible... and if by chance we have it wrong.. we feel facing God without Greek or Hebrew knowledge would not be counted against us.....
Rather than try to find ways "Around" the Word... I am one who feels safe in reading the WORD and living it exactly as I read it... I am not condoning ignorance.. education is something I preach and believe in vehemntly.. but sometimes I do wonder if "much learning has not made us mad."
Now, my question for this board.... why is it that if someone like me who is very fundamental is so reviled? I realize my opinions are contrary to the mainstream but is was not so just years ago with my forefather.....
Had I made these statements just 30 years ago
A woman should not preach
Men should not remarry if they are divorced
Women should not cut their hair
my statements would have been in accordance with the times... but of course now in this age those statements are considered mean and unmerciful
When it comes to the marriage issue,, it is not easy for me to make the stand I do... My father is on his 4th, my mother is on her 3rd, my grandmother is on her 2nd and I was ALMOST on my 2nd... before I heard a man of God preach on the issue of Marriage and Divorce.. before that time I TRULY did not have a strong biblical foundation on the issue....
I made my stand after much study and soul searching..... for me to tell you that I believe my own Father is in sin.. is NOT EASY...... but I feel compelled to face God with a clear conscience that I said it AS I SAW IT...
If God is going to judge us by obeying what we read or obeying what we should have known the Passage REALLY MEANT.. will we not all be in trouble?
Again.,,, why is there no more room in the kingdom for men such as myself who believe in MERCY.. were it not for his mercy I would on my way to hell in a hurry... I LOVE MERCY I believe IN MERCY but I do not believe that MERCY is a LICENSE to deliberately disobey Gods Word.....
For the record.. if a man and woman has remarried,, I would always counsel them to remain as you are.... but with the knowledge you now have you must NEVER REMARRy.... Is that being cruel? Is that being hateful? or is that being faithful to Gods Word....
I bless all of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
Your Brother in Christ
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I appreciate your convictions, such as they are. I do wonder though about women in the church, in your opinion what is their place?
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Re: Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch
The man is not riveled. And certainly not for his views. It's a personal thing. It's the way you post to others. The moment you came to this board you were abrasive and then when folks responded to you in kind suddenly you were Mr Innocent being attacked by everyone for your views. Good grief
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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