"All things are lawful"

LUKE2447 · #1 07-16-2008, 02:47 PM

From a non-OSAS standpoint how does one deal with this verse by Paul.

1Co 6:12 "All things are lawful for me," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be enslaved by anything.

1Co 10:23 "All things are lawful," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful," but not all things build up.

I have my own opinion but would like to seek the knowledge of the people on the board which cover many views.

Thanks!

LUKE2447 · #2 07-17-2008, 07:39 AM

bump

I would really like some input on this set of scriptures.

freeatlast · #3 07-17-2008, 07:52 AM

OP's are to skeered of that verse to comment Luke.

Evang.Benincasa · #4 07-31-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

OP's are to skeered of that verse to comment Luke.

Try putting the verse into the context of the chapter, and you will find it does permit anyone to shoot heroin and watch porn.

The apostle is NOT saying he is free to do as he very well pleases, but will not because it will not prosper him, nor the Kingdom of God. To think that the apostle is saying that he can do whatever he wants and still remained saved would be the same as saying he was an Epicurean.

To think that Paul is saying that he was saying that everything was legal and he would be free of sin, then why does he name sins and then tell everyone to abstain?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

LUKE2447 · #5 07-31-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Try putting the verse into the context of the chapter, and you will find it does permit anyone to shoot heroin and watch porn.

The apostle is NOT saying he is free to do as he very well pleases, but will not because it will not prosper him, nor the Kingdom of God. To think that the apostle is saying that he can do whatever he wants and still remained saved would be the same as saying he was an Epicurean.

To think that Paul is saying that he was saying that everything was legal and he would be free of sin, then why does he name sins and then tell everyone to abstain?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

I agree I don't think he is saying that. My question was how do you technically teach the meaning of the passage vs trying to praraphrase. To me in a strict sense it would have to be antinomian. I don't believe in OSAS or ES.

Baron1710 · #6 07-17-2008, 07:58 AM

I just take it at face value.

LUKE2447 · #7 07-17-2008, 08:03 AM

Baron,

Then in your view..(again just asking the normal follow through Q) murder, fornication, homosexuality etc... are lawful but just do not edify or build up?

Baron1710 · #8 07-17-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Baron,

Then in your view..(again just asking the normal follow through Q) murder, fornication, homosexuality etc... are lawful but just do not edify or build up?

Face value to me is, pass the ham sandwich and don't tell me where you got the ham.

The context is eating meat that may have been offered to idols. The passage in chapter 6 though talking about sexual immorality makes reference again to eating.

"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."[c]

If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake[d]— the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience? If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Cindy · #9 07-17-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Baron,

Then in your view..(again just asking the normal follow through Q) murder, fornication, homosexuality etc... are lawful but just do not edify or build up?

In what world are these things lawful?

LUKE2447 · #10 07-17-2008, 08:56 AM

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In what world are these things lawful?

We are talking about between us and God. Pauls is not dealing with society or government. Government does not decide sin. God does. To say all things are lawful, means one cannot sin from a direct reading. Without law there is no sin. Law gives the ability to judge transgression.
If no law no transgression.