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Old 07-05-2008, 11:47 PM
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For Lack of Scripture

With all of the recent hubub about a certain popular preacher SUPPOSEDLY not preaching truth from the Word of God I have wondered about some things. Interestingly, with the lack of scripture at the time of these events, I wonder...

What would have happened to Naman if he hadn't decided to dip in a dirty river seven times? I mean the nerve of the prophet!

What would have happened to the widow lady who served the prophet the last meal that they were planning to cook before dying of starvation? I mean, that selfish profit took their last meal!

What would have happened if those fishermen didn't cast their nets over to the other side, I mean, who had scripture for that???

What would have happened if Noah hadn't built and loaded the ark? A boat??? In the middle of a desert? (Of course, no one but his family listened to HIM)

What would have happened if Daniel would have obeyed King Darius' signed law instead of praying as usual? I mean he WAS breaking the law.

What would have happened if Samuel thought Eli was crazy? Really...to imagine a 7 year old hearing from God? Where was scripture for that??

And, who, just WHO would think that marching around a city would cause its walls to fall down?? I KNOW that the leader of the Israelites once previously commanded the sun to stand still, but, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE that supports the destruction of brick and mortar by marching around it for seven days.

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Old 07-06-2008, 02:05 AM
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Re: For Lack of Scripture

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With all of the recent hubub about a certain popular preacher SUPPOSEDLY not preaching truth from the Word of God I have wondered about some things. Interestingly, with the lack of scripture at the time of these events, I wonder...

What would have happened to Naman if he hadn't decided to dip in a dirty river seven times? I mean the nerve of the prophet!

What would have happened to the widow lady who served the prophet the last meal that they were planning to cook before dying of starvation? I mean, that selfish profit took their last meal!

What would have happened if those fishermen didn't cast their nets over to the other side, I mean, who had scripture for that???

What would have happened if Noah hadn't built and loaded the ark? A boat??? In the middle of a desert? (Of course, no one but his family listened to HIM)

What would have happened if Daniel would have obeyed King Darius' signed law instead of praying as usual? I mean he WAS breaking the law.

What would have happened if Samuel thought Eli was crazy? Really...to imagine a 7 year old hearing from God? Where was scripture for that??

And, who, just WHO would think that marching around a city would cause its walls to fall down?? I KNOW that the leader of the Israelites once previously commanded the sun to stand still, but, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE that supports the destruction of brick and mortar by marching around it for seven days.

Good thing these people have good ole AFF to set them straight! Go ahead! Rip into these folks!
Wow! In other words he is saying we don't need bible. We just need to "hear from God" which is what the Pope claims to have been doing for centuries.

Shocking! So Jekyll is not sola scriptura. The sole rule of faith is not the word of God but the word of God plus whomever he believes is a prophet and hears something not found in the bible. I said it before...this magic hair stuff if not stopped leads to more heresy
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Old 07-06-2008, 02:06 AM
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Re: For Lack of Scripture

BTW isn't this another way for jekyll to say 'I can't defend my magic hair doctrine from bible"?
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:19 AM
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BTW isn't this another way for jekyll to say 'I can't defend my magic hair doctrine from bible"?
I was shocked with Jekyll's post as well, and, Yes, it sounds like he 's saying revelation trumps the word of God. So LS is not perfect and doesn't have a corner on the market of truth? why make outrageous excuses for him by coming up with this type of argument?

Or is it okay for someone who is considered a prophet to add to the words of the Lord?
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Old 07-06-2008, 02:20 AM
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Wow! In other words he is saying we don't need bible. We just need to "hear from God" which is what the Pope claims to have been doing for centuries.

Shocking! So Jekyll is not sola scriptura. The sole rule of faith is not the word of God but the word of God plus whomever he believes is a prophet and hears something not found in the bible. I said it before...this magic hair stuff if not stopped leads to more heresy
How?

Are you wavering in your belief system?

People will believe what they want to believe.

I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Trinity doctrine is false & heresy.
So is easy believism, not to mention greasy grace.

Now has that stopped those doctrines from being propagated???

We are to preach truth!

Can't people see that?
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Old 07-06-2008, 02:26 AM
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How?
Jekyll just proved it. He is making an argument that not everything we need for doctrine is found in the bible.

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Are you wavering in your belief system?
no, why? I don't believe in magic hair

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People will believe what they want to believe.
People will also eat food, breath air and go to the bathroom, it's rather redundant to point out the obvious

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I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Trinity doctrine is false & heresy.
ok...how does that have anything to do with me?

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So is easy believism, not to mention greasy grace.
Or that?

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Now has that stopped those doctrines from being propagated???
huh? You must not be grasping what I am saying. Nobody is talking about stopping a doctrine from being propagated. I am saying allowing certain heretical doctrines to co-exist in our movement will spawn OTHER heretical things such as Jekyll's polemic here which implies we don't have to get everything from the bible...we can have a prophet hear from God and get a new doctrine

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We are to preach truth!
That is nice....what does that have to do with anything?

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Can't people see that?
Yah...but apparently some of us are preaching something we like to call magic hair doctrine and I say that is not preaching truth. And if we don't stop it I believe it can just gender more false doctrines

We also put a stop to the heavenly flesh heresy or at least addressed it as it should...why? Why do you supposed they felt it important to address it? Why did Daniel Segraves publish a book and the Herald print his article against it if these false teachings are not dangerous?

They are dangerous to our movement.
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Old 07-06-2008, 02:31 AM
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Jekyll just proved it. He is making an argument that not everything we need for doctrine is found in the bible.


no, why? I don't believe in magic hair


People will also eat food, breath air and go to the bathroom, it's rather redundant to point out the obvious


ok...how does that have anything to do with me?


Or that?


huh? You must not be grasping what I am saying. Nobody is talking about stopping a doctrine from being propagated. I am saying allowing certain heretical doctrines to co-exist in our movement will spawn OTHER heretical things such as Jekyll's polemic here which implies we don't have to get everything from the bible...we can have a prophet hear from God and get a new doctrine


That is nice....what does that have to do with anything?


Yah...but apparently some of us are preaching something we like to call magic hair doctrine and I say that is not preaching truth. And if we don't stop it I believe it can just gender more false doctrines
I think it is all a tempest in a tea pot myself.
And there is divine flesh, & Pastoral dictatorship where every decision is vetted by the Pastor.
It is happening and will probably continue to happen.

I don't get worked up about it.
There are enough battles to fight, then to simply self destruct as a movement.
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Old 07-06-2008, 03:10 PM
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I think it is all a tempest in a tea pot myself.
And there is divine flesh, & Pastoral dictatorship where every decision is vetted by the Pastor.
It is happening and will probably continue to happen.

I don't get worked up about it.
There are enough battles to fight, then to simply self destruct as a movement.
so we should not address false doctrine? We should let them sit and grow within our own movement?

These false doctrines can grow and take over our movement. That is the point. If we allow false doctrines to grow we are on a slippery slope, especially when the false doctrines are not even relying on scripture like Jekyll here tried to argue...eventually we will have a mess of people claiming new revelation not from the word like the various charismatic groups did with holy laughter and the other stuff that just made a big mess
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Old 07-06-2008, 10:58 AM
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Wow! In other words he is saying we don't need bible. We just need to "hear from God" which is what the Pope claims to have been doing for centuries.

Shocking! So Jekyll is not sola scriptura. The sole rule of faith is not the word of God but the word of God plus whomever he believes is a prophet and hears something not found in the bible. I said it before...this magic hair stuff if not stopped leads to more heresy
Can you see the forest through the trees?

Do you have an answer for the events listed above or do you wish to pontificate and assume as to why I am posting this?

Where in the world do you see that I am saying that we don't need the Bible? Who brought up hair?

On the other hand, I marvel at the faith of the New Testament churches who, having not necessarily seen or even heard of Jesus, experienced salvation and revival previous to the writings of Paul and not having the four gospels spread abroad.

We have a nice ready made book of scripture that people choose to deny, twist, take out of context, and use to their own devices. That goes for anyone, not defending nor discounting specific individuals. I was posting about a phenomenon where people have decided that what another individual said was the word of God. How did those, without definitive scripture, discern what was the word of God and what wasn't? I know how, but how did these people live in their everyday human lives that allowed them to be sensitive and obey the voice of God from another individual?

As far as hair goes, I have seen the same arguments for three years. Those who deny what Paul was saying in Corinthians will continue to deny, and those who espouse will continue to espouse.
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Can you see the forest through the trees?

Do you have an answer for the events listed above or do you wish to pontificate and assume as to why I am posting this?

Where in the world do you see that I am saying that we don't need the Bible? Who brought up hair?

On the other hand, I marvel at the faith of the New Testament churches who, having not necessarily seen or even heard of Jesus, experienced salvation and revival previous to the writings of Paul and not having the four gospels spread abroad.

We have a nice ready made book of scripture that people choose to deny, twist, take out of context, and use to their own devices. That goes for anyone, not defending nor discounting specific individuals. I was posting about a phenomenon where people have decided that what another individual said was the word of God. How did those, without definitive scripture, discern what was the word of God and what wasn't? I know how, but how did these people live in their everyday human lives that allowed them to be sensitive and obey the voice of God from another individual?

As far as hair goes, I have seen the same arguments for three years. Those who deny what Paul was saying in Corinthians will continue to deny, and those who espouse will continue to espouse.

Acts 17:
10And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

11These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

12Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
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