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06-22-2008, 12:23 AM
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God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
The "works of the devil" are : sickness, disease, death, poverty, oppression, etc. They are always "works of the devil", all the time. They are not the "will of God", because there are none in heaven, and there were none here on Earth, before the devil brought them to Adam and Eve in the garden, and they received them.
GOD IS A GOOD FATHER, ALL THE TIME. THE "WORKS OF THE DEVIL" ARE BAD, ALL THE TIME.
" God is the greatest parent the world has ever know." : Alan Oggs.
(Lk 11:12) shows us that our heavenly father would never give us something that would hurt us. This is established as a truth by the words of Jesus.
Jesus came to destroy "the works of the devil". (I Jn 3:8). God will never use "the works of the devil" to save us. We cannot be saved by works, even the devil's works. If you could, then the devil could boast. ( Eph 2:9)
Jesus went about healing all that were oppressed of the devil. ( Acts 10:38). How could God then justly, use "the works of the devil" to benefit us in anyway? I say He could not, without being unjust.
God will never use the "works of the devil" to correct us. The word of God is given for correction. ( II Tim 3:16-17) If you will not be corrected by the word, then you will not be corrected, even by "a work of the devil". (Lk 16:31)
Oppression never benefited Isreal, it only made them bitter toward God. They were phony. They would cry the the Lord, then as soon as He delivered them, they would murmur and complain. The final result was, they died by the millions.
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06-22-2008, 02:30 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
The "works of the devil" are : sickness, disease, death, poverty, oppression, etc. They are always "works of the devil", all the time. They are not the "will of God", because there are none in heaven, and there were none here on Earth, before the devil brought them to Adam and Eve in the garden, and they received them.
GOD IS A GOOD FATHER, ALL THE TIME. THE "WORKS OF THE DEVIL" ARE BAD, ALL THE TIME.
" God is the greatest parent the world has ever know." : Alan Oggs.
(Lk 11:12) shows us that our heavenly father would never give us something that would hurt us. This is established as a truth by the words of Jesus.
Jesus came to destroy "the works of the devil". (I Jn 3:8). God will never use "the works of the devil" to save us. We cannot be saved by works, even the devil's works. If you could, then the devil could boast. ( Eph 2:9)
Jesus went about healing all that were oppressed of the devil. ( Acts 10:38). How could God then justly, use "the works of the devil" to benefit us in anyway? I say He could not, without being unjust.
God will never use the "works of the devil" to correct us. The word of God is given for correction. ( II Tim 3:16-17) If you will not be corrected by the word, then you will not be corrected, even by "a work of the devil". (Lk 16:31)
Oppression never benefited Isreal, it only made them bitter toward God. They were phony. They would cry the the Lord, then as soon as He delivered them, they would murmur and complain. The final result was, they died by the millions. |
While I almost totally agree with you, I do see evidence of God "using" the which came through the devil as you described.
Use your analysis of the oppression that Israel experienced. God removed His protection from Israel due to their sins and allowed heathen nations to come in and oppress them.
While it may only be a play on words, the results of sin is the devils works. So, while God is not inflicting people with sickness because there is no sickness in God, that which is of the devil is a result of one not walking rightly with God.
In 1 Corinthians we see Paul using the devil's works to ensure a persons salvation:
1 Cor 5:5
5 {I have decided} to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(NAS)
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06-22-2008, 02:42 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
2Th 2:11 And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion,that they should believe a lie
this is something God does that we like to blame on the devil
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06-22-2008, 02:54 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
God also used the devil with Job. He used evil concerning the death of His Son, Joseph told his brothers that what they did to him they meant for evil and God meant it for good. Christ stated that a man was born lame for God's glory. Imagine God having a person be born a cripple just for Him and it had nothing to do with the sin of the man nor his parents!
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06-22-2008, 05:41 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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God also used the devil with Job. He used evil concerning the death of His Son, Joseph told his brothers that what they did to him they meant for evil and God meant it for good. Christ stated that a man was born lame for God's glory. Imagine God having a person be born a cripple just for Him and it had nothing to do with the sin of the man nor his parents!
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Lazarus died...God used it for HIS glory.
Many were sick and Jesus healed them, for God's Glory.
Gen 50:20 As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.
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06-22-2008, 08:08 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
Absolutely, God does get glory from destroying the works of the devil.
I contend that God does not use the works of the devil the save us, to correct us, the teach us, to train us.
There's a preacher who has preached at Peace Church several times, and says that God gave his mother cancer, to save his brother. Now I don't believe that is scriptural in light of Lk 11:12.
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06-22-2008, 08:21 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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2Th 2:11 And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion,that they should believe a lie
this is something God does that we like to blame on the devil
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God is truth, God is light, and there is no darkness in Him at all. It would be inconsistent with God's nature to send delusion, (which is darkness). Now He may have allowed the devil to send delusion, but God has none to send.
I think the KJV translators got it wrong.
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06-22-2008, 08:32 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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I think the KJV translators got it wrong.
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Not to be sarcastic in the least, but on what basis is this a mistranslation?
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06-22-2008, 08:37 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
Here's Josh. 11:19-20--- 19 There was not a city that made peace with the people of Israel except the Hivites, the inhabitants of Gibeon. They took them all in battle. 20 For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be devoted to destruction and should receive no mercy but be destroyed, just as the Lord commanded Moses.
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06-22-2008, 08:49 PM
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Re: God Does Not Use The "works Of The Devil"
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Not to be sarcastic in the least, but on what basis is this a mistranslation?
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On the basis that it disagrees with Lk 11:12.
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