What I want to know is if anyone first dropped standards then decided the W/S doctrine was wrong.
No the first time I heard someone explain John 3:5 as not being about baptism it actually made sense to me. I feel like you have to bring a lot of baggage with you to get baptism out of that passage. So I kicked the W/S doctrine first.
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Then what does the water and Spirit you see in that text mean?
When Jesus explains it he compares a natural birth to a spiritual birth...that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
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When Jesus explains it he compares a natural birth to a spiritual birth...that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
Water = natural birth
Spirit = spiritual birth
(but that's a separate thread)
Exactly and when I saw that, it made so much sense to me!
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When Jesus explains it he compares a natural birth to a spiritual birth...that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
Water = natural birth
Spirit = spiritual birth
(but that's a separate thread)
No I get it, was just wondering if you believe people should be baptized in water.
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Yes, I suppose never thought of baptizing someone in anything else. But I certainly don't point to John 3:5 for that.
Let me rephrase my question. Do you believe in water baptism?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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Yes, I suppose never thought of baptizing someone in anything else. But I certainly don't point to John 3:5 for that.
Exactly. There are plenty of other places to point to to prove baptism. Jo 3:5 isn't it. However, I believe baptism to be part of the spiritual birthing process. In Jo3:5, Jesus is simply making a contrast between our natural and spiritual birth. I hope you are ready to have your head handed to you on a platter.
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When Jesus explains it he compares a natural birth to a spiritual birth...that which is born of the flesh is flesh that which is born of the spirit is spirit.
Water = natural birth
Spirit = spiritual birth
(but that's a separate thread)
Seems silly for Jesus to say; 'In order to get to heaven you first have to be born... and then you have to be born again. But first.. gotta make sure you're born.. if you aren't born you don't stand a chance of getting into heaven.
DUH.
But that scripture aside, there are pleanty others for Water and Spirit.
Indeed, another thread.
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Seems silly for Jesus to say; 'In order to get to heaven you first have to be born... and then you have to be born again. But first.. gotta make sure you're born.. if you aren't born you don't stand a chance of getting into heaven.
DUH.
But that scripture aside, there are pleanty others for Water and Spirit.
Indeed, another thread.
He was responding to the question of Nicodemus.
This was the original Nick at Night.
Nick had asked how a person could be born again? could the person enter into the mother's womb and be born a second time?
Jesus explained that there are two births.
The first is the birth of our flesh person and the second is the birth of our spirit person. The first is of water and the second is of Spirit. The first puts us into the human family and the second puts us into the heavenly family. The first birth is from our earthly parent and the second birth is from our heavenly parent.
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He was responding to the question of Nicodemus.
This was the original Nick at Night.
Nick had asked how a person could be born again? could the person enter into the mother's womb and be born a second time?
Jesus explained that there are two births.
The first is the birth of our flesh person and the second is the birth of our spirit person. The first is of water and the second is of Spirit. The first puts us into the human family and the second puts us into the heavenly family. The first birth is from our earthly parent and the second birth is from our heavenly parent.
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