WWPF General Council Question

CC1 · #1 05-03-2008, 10:44 PM

I have a question regarding the WWPF General Coucil. I just went to their website and noticed that the link listing the General Council still shows a lot of UPC preachers who I am not certain actually went ahead and left the UPC for the WWPF when the UPC drew the line in the sand.

For starters T.L. Craft is still listed as a GC member and his wife as on the Women's committee. Did TLC in fact turn in his UPC card? Talmadge French?

Balanced · #2 05-05-2008, 11:18 AM

According to information I got from a General Council member, you don't have to be a member of WPF to serve on the General Council.

So, if they don't pay dues to the WPF then can the UPC pull their license?

CC1 · #3 05-05-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Balanced

According to information I got from a General Council member, you don't have to be a member of WPF to serve on the General Council.

So, if they don't pay dues to the WPF then can the UPC pull their license?

Interesting. That was what I was wondering since I think some of these men who were willing to be on the General Council and a WWPF member might have done so with the thought that they could be members of both the UPC and WWPF, which did not turn out to be the case.

Obvously the hard core leaders of the WWPF wanted to cut ties with the UPC but I would imagine not everybody who was interested in a conservative fellowship are ready to do that.

NW Pastor · #4 05-06-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Balanced

According to information I got from a General Council member, you don't have to be a member of WPF to serve on the General Council.

So, if they don't pay dues to the WPF then can the UPC pull their license?

So, you don't have to join in order to lead? Rediculous! I can't believe that to be true.

However, if it turns out to be the case, how disengenuous is that? Honest preachers turn in fellowship cards and lead churches out of the UPCI, following ministerial icons who themselves never made that sacrifice at all.

This would not be a case of the blind leading the blind. Rather, just the blind being led.

TCSQ · #5 05-06-2008, 08:18 AM

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So, you don't have to join in order to lead? Rediculous! I can't believe that to be true.

However, if it turns out to be the case, how disengenuous is that? Honest preachers turn in fellowship cards and lead churches out of the UPCI, following ministerial icons who themselves never made that sacrifice at all.

This would not be a case of the blind leading the blind. Rather, just the blind being led.

Nah.....It's probably much more likely that it is a case of men whose eyes are open to the deviousness, dishonesty and the great harm that the leadership of the United Pentecostal Church in their area has wrought in other mens churches both at home and abroad. If they were dealing with men of ethics and integrity I am sure they would have done as you suggest, but when they are dealing with the political machine that is the United Pentecostal Church all bets are off and you do what you have to do. (Spoken from YEARS of first hand experience) That men who are coming out of the United Pentecostal Church have to resort to such protective measures speaks volumes.

Blaylock · #6 05-06-2008, 09:56 AM

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Nah.....It's probably much more likely that it is a case of men whose eyes are open to the deviousness, dishonesty and the great harm that the leadership of the United Pentecostal Church in their area has wrought in other mens churches both at home and abroad. If they were dealing with men of ethics and integrity I am sure they would have done as you suggest, but when they are dealing with the political machine that is the United Pentecostal Church all bets are off and you do what you have to do. (Spoken from YEARS of first hand experience) That men who are coming out of the United Pentecostal Church have to resort to such protective measures speaks volumes.

Harsh words spoken from someone who seems to have been hurt pretty badly. Why is it that Apostolic's seem to hurt other Apostolic's worse than anyone else. Whoever hurt you let me be the first to say I am sorry for that.

In looking back though could it have been the men that hurt you and not the so called "machine of the UPCI"? Even in our district and section there are some that can be seen as devious and dishonest, but I don't lump the little into the lot. A wise man gave me a great piece of advice when I was ready to give up on it all and said "There are always going to be idiots wherever you go. Stick it out with the idiots you know rather than leaving and finding even more idiots to deal with." Pretty rough but true.

Seems to me that those who have left are leaving one political regime to go to another.

My honest opinion is - God bless them

TCSQ · #7 05-06-2008, 11:01 PM

Seems to me that those who have left are leaving one political regime to go to another.

Exactly! I was going to call it "Reinventing the wheel" but actually it's more like "Reinventing the SQUARE wheel".

I had to go and delete the rest of this reply, as I am so Sick of the man made organization stuff as well as the Liberal/Conservative "One stepper/two stepper/three stepper (I'm a FOUR stepper myself) stuff that it just wasn't fit to be posted.

You may all now proceed to taunt me. I'm done.

CC1 · #8 05-06-2008, 09:24 PM

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Nah.....It's probably much more likely that it is a case of men whose eyes are open to the deviousness, dishonesty and the great harm that the leadership of the United Pentecostal Church in their area has wrought in other mens churches both at home and abroad. If they were dealing with men of ethics and integrity I am sure they would have done as you suggest, but when they are dealing with the political machine that is the United Pentecostal Church all bets are off and you do what you have to do. (Spoken from YEARS of first hand experience) That men who are coming out of the United Pentecostal Church have to resort to such protective measures speaks volumes.

It is clear you don't have an axe to grind! Yikes!!!!

TCSQ · #9 05-06-2008, 11:05 PM

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It is clear you don't have an axe to grind! Yikes!!!!

No, no axe to grind, just reminiscing about some of the axes I have had to REMOVE from various parts of my body....LIKE MY SKULL!!!! (Metaphorically speaking that is) Really folks sometimes thinking about these different man made organizations I am put in mind of Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz who were "good" nazis and who knew nuthink....NNNNUUUUUUUTTTTHHHHIIIIIINNNNNNKKKKKK!

StillStanding · #10 05-06-2008, 12:24 PM

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So, you don't have to join in order to lead? ...........

Wouldn't this be like having your personal banker on your church board. He's not a member of your church, but he can help make good sound financial decisions.

Actually in business, usually the board of directors are not an active part of the day to day business. They are outsiders that are hired to help make sound financial decisions.