Bitterness???

[Harmony]

I have just read through Coop's thread that ask's if you are co-dependant on a Pastor. It seems like a fair question for a forum such as this.

It it getting a little old to see the posters who follow him around and cry "!!Bitterness!!" any time he starts a thread.

You make it out to be a personal thread regarding Coops past and his situation. Can you NOT forgive Coop and get on with life and trust that he has good intentions?

It is a FACT that there are some who are co-dependant. Why not let the topics he brings up carry a life of there own. If nobody wants to post in his thread it will die....ta da!! Then you don't have to chime in with your own sarcasm and bitterness and make yourself appear to have the same problem you are accusing him of having.

JUST WANT TO BRING HARMONY!!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Harmony

I have just read through Coop's thread that ask's if you are co-dependant on a Pastor. It seems like a fair question for a forum such as this.

It it getting a little old to see the posters who follow him around and cry "!!Bitterness!!" any time he starts a thread.

You make it out to be a personal thread regarding Coops past and his situation. Can you NOT forgive Coop and get on with life and trust that he has good intentions?

It is a FACT that there are some who are co-dependant. Why not let the topics he brings up carry a life of there own. If nobody wants to post in his thread it will die....ta da!! Then you don't have to chime in with your own sarcasm and bitterness and make yourself appear to have the same problem you are accusing him of having.

JUST WANT TO BRING HARMONY!!

You have a point-to a point.

It would be nice for a change to see a thread by Coop titled
"Good things my Pastor taught me."
"The good that the UPCI has."
"The things that I can improve vs the things that are wrong with the UPCI."

I hope that hasn't offended ya-but that is how a lot of us see it.

I think someone pointed out, a lot of us have been hurt and offended, we just choose to forgive and move on.

We also pray for Coop to find the Grace to do the same, both for his sake and for those who may here him.

JMHO

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by Ron

You have a point-to a point.

It would be nice for a change to see a thread by Coop titled
"Good things my Pastor taught me."
"The good that the UPCI has."
"The things that I can improve vs the things that are wrong with the UPCI."

I hope that hasn't offended ya-but that is how a lot of us see it.

I think someone pointed out, a lot of us have been hurt and offended, we just choose to forgive and move on.

We also pray for Coop to find the Grace to do the same, both for his sake and for those who may here him.
JMHO

This is a good point Ron! Not too long ago Coop and I got into it a bit, but when we got done, I felt so much compassion for him...I realized that I needed to pray for him that God would send someone along the way to help him, like God did for us....and I told him (coop) so!

[Barb]

Are things perfect in the UPCI?! No, but there are problems/issues everywhere you go.

Are there pastors who are less than compassionate and diligent in their ministry and care?! Sure, but not every man of God is a control freak.

Have there been people injured by the above?! Absolutely, and I know because I am one.

The solution, as it has been stated by those more eloquent than me, is simply to forgive and move on.

I will repeat what I stated this morning...bitterness is a heart killer.

Should situations/issues be discussed?! Absolutely, but to continue to point out the negative without offering a constructive resolution will only serve to further destroy.

Just my thoughts...

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Barb

Are things perfect in the UPCI?! No, but there are problems/issues everywhere you go.

Are there pastors who are less than compassionate and diligent in their ministry and care?! Sure, but not every man of God is a control freak.

Have there been people injured by the above?! Absolutely, and I know because I am one.

The solution, as it has been stated by those more eloquent than me, is simply to forgive and move on.

I will repeat what I stated this morning...bitterness is a heart killer.

Should situations/issues be discussed?! Absolutely, but to continue to point out the negative without offering a constructive resolution will only serve to further destroy.

Just my thoughts...

Great post, Barb. I would agree that forgiving the wrongs that we've experienced from people who we trusted is essential for a healthy Christian life.

We tend to loose patience at times with people who process forgiveness slower than we think they should. God made us from the same thread yet we are very unique.

It's that very uniqueness that can build walls between us.

Originally Posted by chosenbyone

Great post, Barb. I would agree that forgiving the wrongs that we've experienced from people who we trusted is essential for a healthy Christian life.

We tend to loose patience at times with people who process forgiveness slower than we think they should. God made us from the same thread yet we are very unique.

It's that very uniqueness that can build walls between us.

Surprisingly, it was my personal experience that the bolded statement was not enough for me to enjoy a healthy Christian life. I had to go beyond forgiving those by whom I felt I was wounded to the point of asking them to forgive me for having allowed bitterness to rule my heart and world for such a period of time. It was upon receipt of their forgiveness that I truly began to go beyond healing to wholeness!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Barb

I will repeat what I stated this morning...bitterness is a heart killer.

Should situations/issues be discussed?! Absolutely, but to continue to point out the negative without offering a constructive resolution will only serve to further destroy.

Just my thoughts...

Situations should be discussed, but sometimes it's an attitude that comes with the threads that are started. Is there more condemnation or is there a genuine concern for what we see as wrongs? Is there prayer being offered for others whether an individual or a whole organization? It is all about our attitudes not those who have wronged us. Like you said.... bitterness is a heart killer. But as others has noted...forgiveness, humility, and love covers a multitude of sins.

[Harmony]

Ron,

My point is.....how do you know he hasn't forgiven and moved on.

If it was someone else who brought up the same topic it would be looked at differently.

Although I am sure they too would be labled as a pastor hater full of bitterness by some.

It gets old.

Why can't topics on the positive and the negative of the ministry be brought up?

I thought his topic was really geared toward the saint on the thread he recently started...jmho

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Harmony

Ron,

My point is.....how do you know he hasn't forgiven and moved on.

If it was someone else who brought up the same topic it would be looked at differently.

Although I am sure they too would be labled as a pastor hater full of bitterness by some.

It gets old.

Why can't topics on the positive and the negative of the ministry be brought up?

I thought his topic was really geared toward the saint on the thread he recently started...jmho

Harmony, the point is the reason it isn't looked at as different is brcause it seems the majority (not all) of his threads are posted negative towards the UPCI & Ministry.
If he has moved on, lets discuss other things.

JMHO Also.

[Harmony]

Originally Posted by Ron

Harmony, the point is the reason it isn't looked at as different is brcause it seems the majority (not all) of his threads are posted negative towards the UPCI & Ministry.
If he has moved on, lets discuss other things.

JMHO Also.

You have the option of not participating on the thread.
Why must you follow Coop around and cry....another bitterness thread, evertime he brings a topic up? If you don't like it.....avoid it. It will either take on people who want to discuss it or it will die. I think you (not you personally) choke the intended conversation by changing the topic to ....coop is still bitter...yada yada....

Just forgive coop for his crazy threads and move on.....LOL!!!