Political: Moderate, Centrist, and Progressive Thread

[ChristopherHall]

With all the threads supporting right-wing politics and politically conservative notions I thought it would be only fair to step up to the plate and create a thread where those few who are politically moderate, centrist, or progressive can feel free to talk about politics and political developments. Sure, our conservative brothers and sisters are welcome here, but this is a place were we can talk about the issues, our opinions, and the role of our Christian faith in progressive and centrist politics.

What are some of your thoughts on the political developments in Iowa?

[LordChocolate]

I am politically on the RIGHT. I did not come on this thread to fight. However, I do have one question, how is it possible for a Christian to support a candidate that is pro abortion?

[nathan_slatter]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

With all the threads supporting right-wing politics and politically conservative notions I thought it would be only fair to step up to the plate and create a thread where those few who are politically moderate, centrist, or progressive can feel free to talk about politics and political developments. Sure, our conservative brothers and sisters are welcome here, but this is a place were we can talk about the issues, our opinions, and the role of our Christian faith in progressive and centrist politics.

What are some of your thoughts on the political developments in Iowa?

I think I'll vote for Obama before I'll vote for Huckabee. And if Hilary is on the ticket -- I'll vote 3rd party. Truth be told I'm hoping Ron Paul wins the nomination.

[bishopnl]

I think the term "progressive" is just double speak for liberal. And there's nothing progressive about liberalism. And neither is there any room for Christianity in liberalism. It's all about replacing God ordained roles with government ordained ones. In the church of liberalism, government is god.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by bishopnl

I think the term "progressive" is just double speak for liberal. And there's nothing progressive about liberalism. And neither is there any room for Christianity in liberalism. It's all about replacing God ordained roles with government ordained ones. In the church of liberalism, government is god.

Call it for what it really is.

It is a call for Socialism in Amerika.

Anyone recall 1968 and how that helped the Czech populace?

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by bishopnl

I think the term "progressive" is just double speak for liberal. And there's nothing progressive about liberalism. And neither is there any room for Christianity in liberalism. It's all about replacing God ordained roles with government ordained ones. In the church of liberalism, government is god.

Let me educate you then bro. LOL

A progressive is more centrist and favors a mixed economy. A liberal is closer to socialist.

And as for Government...like marriage...it's an institution ordained by God, read Romans 13.

[bishopnl]

Or…we can look at the situation as the SCOTUS has. It’s primarily an issue the government isn’t tasked to address.

Chris, I'm sorry, but that's not the position SCOTUS took. To say so either means you don't know what position SCOTUS takes, or you are willing to obfuscate their position.

The fact is, SCOTUS's position is that abortion, under the Constitution, is a right PROTECTED by the government. Prior to Roe v. Wade, state governments had the power to ban abortion...prior to Connecticut v. Griswold, even the "right to privacy" wasn't protected by the Constitution. The fact is that Roe v. Wade simply said that if state governments were going to ban abortion, then the federal government was going to PROTECT it. It took a heretofore unrecognized right and placed it under the protection of the Constitution.

And further, liberal candidates may say they are "pro-choice"...but the fact that federal funds go to abortion advocacy groups shows that they don't have any problem with the federal government interfering in the issue of abortion....just not limiting it.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by bishopnl

Chris, I'm sorry, but that's not the position SCOTUS took. To say so either means you don't know what position SCOTUS takes, or you are willing to obfuscate their position.

The fact is, SCOTUS's position is that abortion, under the Constitution, is a right PROTECTED by the government. Prior to Roe v. Wade, state governments had the power to ban abortion...prior to Connecticut v. Griswold, even the "right to privacy" wasn't protected by the Constitution. The fact is that Roe v. Wade simply said that if state governments were going to ban abortion, then the federal government was going to PROTECT it. It took a heretofore unrecognized right and placed it under the protection of the Constitution.

And further, liberal candidates may say they are "pro-choice"...but the fact that federal funds go to abortion advocacy groups shows that they don't have any problem with the federal government interfering in the issue of abortion....just not limiting it.

You know there have been more court cases about abortion than Roe v. Wade right? lol

PRO CHOICE IS PRO ABORTION....GOOD GRIEF HOW CAN YOU BE SO DECIEVED*** ******************

[bishopnl]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Let me educate you then bro. LOL

A progressive is more centrist and favors a mixed economy. A liberal is closer to socialist.

And as for Government...like marriage...it's an institution ordained by God, read Romans 13.

Your education system, like the Department of Education, is sadly lacking. It cannot call a spade a spade.

As for government...yes, it is ordained by God. It has it's place, and the church has it's place. And the government isn't supposed to take the place of the church...read Acts 6. That's why conservatives want limited government...government in it's God ordained place. We don't advocate anarchy.